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R.I.P. : Pacific International Trapshooting Association (PITA)

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Jrb99, Nov 17, 2016.

  1. Jrb99

    Jrb99 TS Member

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    Information has surfaced that the PITA executive committee ***"MAY HAVE"***(for the morons) determined that moving the Grand Pacific to Spokane Gun Club will some how be wise, not to mention beneficial to their membership. One should stop and ponder the realities, PITA "Harvest Grand" held at Spokane Gun Club saw anything but "grand" attendance, she topped out with Sunday's handicap grand finale, totaling an eye popping 27 entries. Top brass at Spokane gun club also has extensive experience, as well as a proven track record of taking once well attended "Iconic" regional shoots such as the Inland Empire Handicap, and decimating them to the point they no longer could qualify for ATA all American points, even under the new watered down loser'ville standards, recently adopted for the 2017 target year. One lesson that should be headed here, do not underestimate the power of tradition and staying somewhat in geographic proximity to a viable base of people who support your sport. The Grand Pacific never was much in comparison to Vandalia, I'm not sure there will be anything left at all, if this unwise geographic relocation results in the same reduction in attendance the "Sparta Disaster" has caused.

    Just the opinion of an average "deplorable"
     
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  2. waverider

    waverider Well-Known Member

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    Well, Evergreen has withdrawn their proposal to host next year after proposing a "substantial" price increase and PITA's counter proposal was not acceptable to them. No actual prices were disclosed in PITA's online release.

    Maybe the executive committee should disclose the price increase and see if the membership would still attend due to tradition.

    Jason
     
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  3. jdsfarms

    jdsfarms Well-Known Member

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    I don't know about shoot attendance but the membership on the east side of the state and north Idaho would increase because as much as a pain as it is for you to come to Spokane it's equally as painful for Idaho and Eastern Washington shooters to go over there would probably gain some Montana shooters too...if your a deplorable you should feel safer on that side of the state anyway ..lol :trust_me: Plus I have no interest in supporting the economy on that side of the state:image005: Maybe that $15 /hr minimum wage is part of the increase in cost..
     
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  4. Jrb99

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    Yes, and all is well and prosperity is abundant regarding the last "GRAND" relocation we have all seen. Only an idiot gauges the probable prosperity of a shoot on his own personal proximity, yes Spokane is 3 hrs closer for me, cannot speak for the Masses of Eastern Washington, North Idaho and Montana shooters clammoring to shoot PITA targets that resulted in the amazing 27 entries at the not so grand Harvest Grand and its 27 entries
     
  5. jdsfarms

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    I'm glad I'm not that Idiot because anyone who can read can clearly define that my post had nothing to say about the prosperity of the shoot only about possible membership and my reasons for not going to Liberal land to shoot the Pita Grand...and I was one of the 27 at the harvest grand.I'm a little annoyed at your claim of being a deplorable when your instant name calling at any opposition to your opinion seems to lean more toward liberal tendencies. Jerry
     
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  6. ShotStop

    ShotStop Dedicatedto keeping gun clubs open and shooting.

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    There is another website that would just love to have you as a participant.
     
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  7. Jrb99

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    Please use the term "liberal land" cautiously when disparaging others solely by their geographic location. It has been discovered that we too have a den of liberals hiding amongst us in Eastern Washington, below is the most recent information available from Whitman County Auditors web site regarding the presidential election. We too have our own "Liberal Land" apparently in south east Washington state. Everyone take notice, maybe time to stop frequenting and supporting this area of the state as well !!! IMG_2914.PNG
     
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    You would fit right in with the hand full of real breathing ex shooters & Joe's hundreds of phony screen names.........they spend all their time complaining about the ATA, the grand, etc. It's called a trapshooting site but shooting is seldom discussed.........
     
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  9. Brady509

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    Little rattle of the cage doesn't hurt!!!!

    The popcorn is almost done. I can't wait for this.
     
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  10. George MT.

    George MT. Moderator Staff Member

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    The last time I checked we are all in the clay target sports together and the people that are running gun clubs rarely fall into the Liberal/Socialist category it is a good idea that we support our fellow trap shooters regardless of where they are located. If you can make a shoot and it is appealing to you to shoot at a specific club then by all means go for it.
    For myself being in MT. where everywhere is a long drive, example outside of my local club next closest registered shoots:
    Plains MT. basically 90 mile trip one way.
    Missoula MT. 125 miles one way.
    Helena MT. 4 hr. drive one way
    State Shoot Billings MT. this year 8 hr. drive.
    So for me having a option of a PITA Grand in Spokane is appealing and worth considering for me to attend.
    I always appreciate it when shooters make a long ass drive to attend our registered shoots(JDSFarms included) because I know what it is like to have to travel a long distance to get anywhere.
    I have been on this site a very long time and open discussion on Shoots both large and small and why people are upset one way or another always use up bandwidth but seldom end well because the participants tend to loose site that regardless we need to stick together for the good of the sport.
    Personally I appreciate the people that work their ass of at gun clubs to make any kind of shoot happen and are thankful that shooters make a long or short trip to support your club and your shoots.
     
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    Amen George!!!! Couldn't have said it any better.
     
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  12. Over-the-Hill

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    I'll add one thing to this. Last July at the annual meeting, the PITA representatives voted that for any club to host the PITA Grand Pacific, it had to be ADA compliant. Evergreen was not. Evergreen asked in their proposal, by raising the target fees, that the PITA help pay for the improvements. That's when the "fun" began....
    OtH
     
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    The Sparta bashing has started early this year. It was subtle, but OH... it was there. I think your opinions would be better suited elsewhere.
     
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  14. Jrb99

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    Whatever the reasoning may be, I'm sure there was a path to a more acceptable outcome. Any how, here are the stats of the final Grand Pacific as we once knew it to be. Come the end of July we'll see what the o'l special "Spokane Touch" adds up to in the end. My personal bet is somewhere in the vicinity of negative 50%. PITA shoots are not well attended in ATA territory and vice versa, at least as far as the PNW is concerned.

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    99, the voting in Whitman County is due to WSU and the associated intellectual transplants associated with a college. Pretty sure if your took a straw pull in Uniontown, Lamont, or St John the results would be the opposite. I do agree with you that moving it would be a mistake.

    PITA and ATA shooter are geography split by the Cascades in Wa and Oregon. To me it would be silly to move the shoot out of their population base. I love Spokvegas but I don't think the average PITA shooter living in King, Snohomish or Pierce County would be excited to come to the dry side. The NFL has never held the Superbowl in Canada.
     
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  16. Dukefan

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    Very similar to some of the ATA/Illinois threads of last winter! It is deja vu all over again! Not everyone is going to be happy with every decision these organizations make. Maybe volunteering or being supportive would be a much more productive thing to do instead of bashing and belittling. In the long run, I suspect the ATA and the PITA will survive!
     
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  17. The Literalist

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    After seeing those 28 gauge events, I ain't going. Getting dangerously skeet-like if you ask me. Kinda like the first cross-dresser that strolls in to a small town Ducks Unlimited meeting. Next thing you know, there'll be gay orgies. ORGIES, I tell ya!!!
     
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  18. jdsfarms

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    Even I never said it would be a good idea to move it because I agree that PITA support is greater on the coast and the Westside is more ATA oriented... and even though the WSU may skew the voting numbers in Whitman county I wouldn't call Pullman a liberal land on that side of the estate liberals and deplorable coexist with a mutual respect for each other rights and the right to vote for who they damn well please without retribution or name calling and for the most part the liberals there live in a very conservative culture and deal with it respectfully.JMHO Jerry
     
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  19. marbax

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    As far as the ATA move to Sparta, isn't Sparta now in the center of the most ATA members? Look at the members bordering to the west of Illinois, there are more members in those states, than in OH and Pa combined. The ATA is looking out for ATA members, not the whole of trapshooters.

    But alas, lets go back and look at the attendance in 1978, a different time in America, there is where the proof the move was a failure is.
     
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  20. Roger C

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    Maybe the PITA should adopt all American points at their shoots. It should improve the score averages and attract better shooters. It worked for the ATA and sent them in a fantastic new direction. They could award them after the ORGIES are over. Roger C.
     
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