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question on union dues

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by BILL GRILL, Mar 20, 2011.

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  1. BILL GRILL

    BILL GRILL Well-Known Member

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    Ok I am in a union now as my fellow bus drivers voted to join a union. Now they deducted dues from my paycheck. I am in Michigan. Who said they could take my money? Can I say no?

    They even sent people from Michigan to Madison to protest. It's the Mich Education Assoc or the teachers union in Mi. Bill
     
  2. TOOLMAKER 251

    TOOLMAKER 251 Active Member

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    Bill, your state is not a right to work state, so once your job is unionized, as a condition of continued employment you must join the union and pay union dues. P.S. now your dues helps the communists in power.
     
  3. BILL GRILL

    BILL GRILL Well-Known Member

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    Toolmaker, That's what I thought. Damn near made my 60th b-day without paying union dues. Only benefit I can see is I will have a weeks less pay a year. The union will get to spend that for me. Bill
     
  4. GW22

    GW22 Active Member

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    Bill:

    Two things come to mind:

    1) Now that you're a union man, you won't have to worry much about doing a good job, since with most unions there is little or no correlation between effort and rewards (which, of course, is the whole idea behind unionization in the modern era).

    2) You own some of the nicest guns a bus driver has ever owned! Good for you, man.

    -Gary
     
  5. BILL GRILL

    BILL GRILL Well-Known Member

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    Gary, I also own a business. I have 11 employees including my son. I drive a school bus for the health insurance. I do get to spend the second income as I see fit which is a plus. You can clearly see where it gets spent. Bill
     
  6. RobertT

    RobertT Well-Known Member

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    Bill, as a retired Bus Driver and having seen the pay discrepancy's between non-union vs. union represented employees I suspect this may be a second career for you. May I ask how long you have been doing this job?

    Robert
     
  7. GW22

    GW22 Active Member

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    Bill:

    You are a hard working small business owner AND you're going to have a union job at the same time? You better be careful and remember where you are at all times. If you get mixed up and start operating under union mode at your own place you'll accidentally run yourself out of business!

    -Gary
     
  8. BILL GRILL

    BILL GRILL Well-Known Member

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    Robert, Been doing my own business for 30 years this June, I have been driving the bus forover 10 years. We just got voted into the union and settled our contract this month. No raise and now we get to pay our own insurance for July and August. Boy was I ever glad my fellow drivers voted in the union.

    Gary, I will be very careful about that! lol
     
  9. MTA Tom

    MTA Tom Active Member

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    Actually, Bill, you do not have to join the union. You must, however, pay the union the portion of the dues the union says goes toward the cost of representing you. You do not have to pay the portion that goes toward political activity.

    Tell them you do not want to join, and want to pay only the representation fee.
     
  10. lctrapshooter

    lctrapshooter Active Member

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    Just in case anyone wonders why Obama and his friends are so hot to support labor unions particularly government employee unions, check out the contributions.


    Leading Union Political Campaign Contributors
    1990-2010
    *Democrats



    R Republicans



    American Fed. of State, County, & Municipal Employees
    *$40,281,900

    R $ 547,700



    Intel Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
    *29,705,600

    R 679,000



    National Education Association
    *27,679,300

    R 2,005,200



    Service Employees International Union
    *26,368,470

    R 98,700



    Communication Workers of America
    *26,305,500

    R 125,300



    Service Employees International Union
    *26,252,000

    R 1,086,200



    Laborers Union
    *25,734,000

    R 2,138,000



    American Federation of Teachers
    *25,682,800

    R 200,000



    United Auto Workers
    *25,082,200

    R 182,700



    Teamsters Union
    *24,926,400

    R 1,822,000



    Carpenters and Joiners Union
    *24,094,100

    R 2,658,000



    Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union
    *23,875,600

    R 226,300



    United Food and Commercial Workers Union
    *23,182,000

    R 334,200



    AFL-CIO
    *17,124,300

    R 713,500



    Sheet Metal Workers Union
    *16,347,200

    R 342,800



    Plumbers & Pipefitters Union
    *14,790,000

    R 818,500



    Operating Engineers Union
    *13,840,000

    R 2,309,500



    Airline Pilots Association
    *12,806,600

    R 2,398,300



    International Association of Firefighters
    *12,421,700

    R 2,685,400



    United Transportation Workers
    *11,807,000

    R 1,459,300



    Ironworkers Union
    *11,638,900

    R 936,000



    American Postal Workers Union
    *11,633,100

    R 544,300



    Nat'l Active & Retired Fed. Employees Association
    *8,135,400

    R 2,294,600



    Seafarers International Union
    *6,726,800

    R 1,281,300



    Source: Center for Responsive Politics, Washington , D.C.



    Hope this helps!
     
  11. RobertT

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    Bill, the reason I asked was to determine whether or not bus driving was your primary source of family income. While I feel your pain, it occurs to me that your fellow workers may be receiving something less than a living wage and for that reason find the lure of Union representation a necessary evil to try and better their circumstances.

    Robert
     
  12. GunDr

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    I wonder which (R-RINOs) received the spill over.
     
  13. halfmile

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    Well, since more bus drivers wanted union representation than not, I guess you should accept the fact.

    If you're getting health insurance, that is a big plus. Many non union workers have to pay for their own.

    If you are paying only a portion it's still agood deal. I know a teacher who retired and suddenly had to find 1800 a month, and couldn't quit because he had prostate cancer and couldn't get another policy anywhere.

    There is a shitstorm brewing in Michigan just like we have here in Wisconsin.

    Run over a protester for me if you get the chance. HM
     
  14. BILL GRILL

    BILL GRILL Well-Known Member

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    HM, Vote was 7 for 6 against so they got it in. Had health insurance for the last 10 years without their help and did not have to pay for 2 months myself. Alot of good they did.

    Mta Tom, Will take that advise and try it. Thanks, Bill
     
  15. TOOLMAKER 251

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    Gary, go back and read Bills posts, he took the non-union job at the time for health care, then his fellow workers voted to accept a union. Would you quit your job if it turned into a union shop?
     
  16. ivanhoe

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    Ruger is coming out with a new pistol in honor of Obama. It will be named the “Union Worker”.




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    It doesn’t work and you can’t fire it.


    Bob Lawless
     
  17. Joe Potosky

    Joe Potosky Well-Known Member

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    RE: You do not have to pay the portion that goes toward political activity

    Not a one time declaration. My wife once a year had to submit the paperwork for the exemption. She had to keep an eye out as the Union would every other year or so change the dates that the paperwork had to be submitted.
     
  18. Ljutic 4 Ice

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    Joe has it right. If you choose to recover the union dues money your union contributes to policical funds you can file paperwork each year for your back. Mine has to be filed between April 1st and April 15th each year. Yes it's a pain in the ass, and the union will not help much. If every union member that bitchs about the money going to champain funds would file the paperwork, it would back a dent. Union memebrs have a choice each year to get their money back. Thanks David
     
  19. Jack L. Smith

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    LCtrapshooter - I would love to send your post to some of my associates. However, I have learned over the years that this kind of information is best sent with the associated source.

    What was the source or data provider for your post on contributions?

    thanks,

    js in PA
     
  20. GBatch_25

    GBatch_25 Active Member

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    May I be bold and ask, if I were in a union, how much would my dues be?

    Is it a % of wages or a flat dollar amount? Approximately how much?

    I know there isn't one answer to this but I never was in a union and have no earthly idea .

    Gene Batchelar
    Wheaton, IL
     
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