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Question on ATF transfer

Discussion in 'For Sale- Members only' started by Gary Ferrell, Sep 14, 2013.

  1. Gary Ferrell

    Gary Ferrell Member

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    I am in Texas and have a gentleman in another state wanting to purchase a trap gun i have for sale.He would like to come to Texas and pick the gun up,is their any paper work i need from him or do i need to ship to FFL in his home state?
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  2. Gary Ferrell

    Gary Ferrell Member

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    I am in Texas and have a gentleman in another state wanting to purchase a trap gun i have for sale.He would like to come to Texas and pick the gun up,is their any paper work i need from him or do i need to ship to FFL in his home state?
    Thank you
    Gary
     
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    You can do a face to face. He can pick it up. Should not be a problem as long as its legal in his state. No paper work involved but you might want to give him a receipt to show he got it from you.
     
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    Since it's a long gun it can be transferred to an individual from another state as long as it is done through a local FFL on form 4473. I other words you need to meet at your local dealer to do the transfer.
     
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    LOL! I knew a cop would tell you to go through the ffl procedure! Most guys do not! Tom Rhoads
     
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    If you are not residents of the same state, it MUST go through a FFL dealer, period. Otherwise you're violating federal, and possibly state laws.
     
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    The easiest legal way to do this is for the buyer to get a signed FFL copy from his FFL, have the FFL make him his agent. Then he can come to Texas, as the agent of the FFL and buy the gun. He then returns to his FFL to fill out the 4473.
     
  8. Gary Ferrell

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    Thanks everyone
     
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    The old contiguous state rule for long gun sales was done away with by the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act. That law allows unlicensed individuals to purchase rifles and shotguns from DEALERS in any state where the sales would be legal...as long as the buyers home state also allows this type of transaction.

    Only free people can own weapons. (Isher, 4875 A.D.)

    HM
     
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    You can look up the rules on the ATF website's FAQ.

    Q: From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?
    A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.
    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
     
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    An agent for an FFL is the same as the FFL. Nothing I am aware of prevents an FFL or his agent from buying a gun out of state. Of course, as a poster stated, the transaction could also be completed at a Texas FFL premisis. I assume the Texas FFL would purchase the gun and resell it on a 4473 to the out of state purchaser. No fuss, no muss.
     
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    Speaking in Bubba terms, an agent of the FFL is one the dealer withholds taxes from, i.e, an employee.

    Find a local pawn shop who will transfer for a few bucks, or be discrete, your choice.

    I would never suggest a person break any law.
     
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    Good time to study the fifth amendment .....
     
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    User, do you mean to imply that the hundreds of dealers that attend the Grand or Winter Vegas gun show every year go there and don't buy or sell any guns?
     
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    Break the law? Heavens no, but don't put anything on the internet suggesting otherwise either.
     
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    "Anyone who feels cheated by paying 'transfer fees', should obtain a FFL and try staying in 'compliance' with all Federal, State, and Local laws."

    What User said. LOL

    There are so many ways to get in a trick with the ATF, that they could likely close most dealers if they really wanted to. (sigh)