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Question for Roland on Cheek Slap

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by j2jake, Oct 19, 2008.

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  1. j2jake

    j2jake Well-Known Member

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    HAving a real problem getting cheek slap out of my wifes gun. So much so that I purchased her a new gun that I put a PFS on. Have adjusted it everyway possible. Got it so she shoots good scores but she still getting brused. Tried rubber pads and she even made a quilt to put over it. All to no avail. Suggestions PLEASE. Thanks for the reply. Jake
     
  2. j2jake

    j2jake Well-Known Member

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    The pad is in full contact with her shoulder and what do you mean by solid contact with the comb? Jake
     
  3. maclellan1911

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    trapshooter has a good point, my wife in the beginning did not have a solid mount and pitch was not correct either. Have you installed a pitch spacer???
    It took me a bit of trial and error to get the pitch right on my XT. I did not get a lot of slap but more barrel rise. I purchased a Wenig New
    American stock for my wife. The pitch built into this stock was alot more or less (still a bit confused on what is -/+ pitch) than the Factory "ladies" stock. What I got out of rolands book is pitch. When mounting the gun, sliding the gun back into position the majority of the pad should contact the pocket area. Not after you mounted it and crunched it into the pocket and muscles. Also wear a thin shirt when doing this. One other point is the toe out. The wenig has quite a bit. By all means if you are going to tackle this yourself, buy rollands book. Helped me alot. Another spot so many factory stocks miss on ladies/youth models is grip to trigger length. One more point I try to raise my comb very high on my pfs. I got to a point where it would slap my cheek. I lowered until it did not and also happy with the target breakage
     
  4. Phil E

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    Cut and pasted by me, Phil E: Subject: Stock Fitting Secrets Book Question
    From: Rollin Oswald
    Email: r.oswald@sbcglobal.net
    Date: Tue, Mar 11, 2008
    Thank you for the compliments, gentlemen. The "new" book is almost finished. I placed an ad on the local tech school website looking for someone who can set up the margins, the footers with the new title (as yet unchosen) and the page numbers, remove the page breaks, which I screwed up, change the text on the front cover and add the ISBN with a bar code on the back cover. Basically, the book is a rewrite of "Stock Fitting Secrets" with a bit of new material added and a few drawings deleted and includes Neil Winston's 13-yard POI instructions. For those of you who have the original secrets book, there is no reasson to buy a new one for $24,95 plus shipping (new printer with lower printing costs). Like the last one, this book will also be 6" x 9". Depending on how long it takes to find a tech student to do what is needed, I would guess that the book will be available for sale in about two months - give or take. Rollin
     
  5. g7777777

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    could be several things and in combination

    comb too low and LOP too long

    poor gun mount

    too much cast off



    lead hand too far forward and cant pivot so head comes off the stock

    all of the above can make the head come off the stock and when it comes off the stock- the gun is going to rotate up into your face
     
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    One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the fact that if you can install the adjustable comb with a DOWNWARD slant;lower in front than in back it will help tremendously. To get it to work right you have to re-work the mounting holes in the comb to accomodate the slant.
     
  7. Rollin Oswald

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    Jake,

    As was mentioned, a number of things could be causing your wife's cheek slap. The most common is too little pitch (toe of pad sticks out too far). The pitch is correct when, with the posture used while shooting, the gun is mounted and the entire pad, top to bottom, makes simultaneous contact with her shoulder.

    The suggestion that you check the softness of the recoil adjustment is a good one. if the gun moves too far to the rear during recoil, cheek slap is possible.

    The other possible causes for cheek slap involve the way the cheek makes contact with the comb. It should be snug and remain there during swings. Too much pressure of too little caused by raising the head can both cause cheek slap.

    The head should not have to be lowered to place the cheek on the comb if a gun fits. The head and neck should be upright.

    I suspect that either the stock dimensions on the PFS or your wife's shooting form needs correcting but without watching her shoot, I'm guessing.

    (My website is down while I'm moving this week.)

    Rollin
     
  8. phirel

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    I am confused again. That seems to happen to me a lot. I cannot understand how the length of compression of a PFS would affect cheek slap. The comb remains nearly stationary as the stock collapses. The comb is mounted on a fixed block and the movable rod passes through the block without moving the comb.

    I need someone to explain this to me.

    Pat Ireland
     
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    Roland, Please send me an e-mail after you are settled in. Thanks, Richard
     
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    Will do, Richard.

    Pat,

    Using a PFS and too little resistance in the recoil adjustment, the entire gun, comb included, moves farther to the rear during recoil than it would if more adjustment were used. Unless the cheek pressure on the comb is correct so the comb can slide easily along the cheek during recoil, there will be a bit of cheek abrasion.

    If the head is not upright and is turned too far toward the stock, in addition to the abrasion caused by comb movement, the barrel rise caused by recoil can cause the comb to impact the cheek on a section that has a greater number of pain receptors, e.g., the forward part.

    The two together can combine to create cheek slap.

    Rollin
     
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