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Purposed gun laws

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Bird30, Dec 31, 2012.

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  1. Bird30

    Bird30 TS Member

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    Sounds just like Hitler in the 1930's. You young people may not realize it but that is what Hitler did to control the people of Germany in the 30's.

    Dave
     
  2. Catpower

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    I wonder when they will ban my .58 cal Zouave, it was a military rifle too
     
  3. Brian in Oregon

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    They may not ban your muzzleloader (yet), but they will ban the lead it needs.
     
  4. Catpower

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    But you can put a bayonet on it
     
  5. smsnyder

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    There trying to ban tools of mass murder, I talked to 10 sportsmen at the club yesterday and all said this ban is needed.
     
  6. MDMike

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    No ban is needed. Period.
     
  7. darr

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    Surely the house will put a damper on most of this.I don't think this stuff is going to buy many politicians votes back home.People don't want it.The politicians talk a big game but when it gets down to nut cutting time they don't vote for it.

    On the other hand,I am sure they will pass something meaningless so they can ride the fence.

    Darr
     
  8. Brian in Oregon

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    They're trying to ban any firearm given any opportunity to do so.

    The goal is elimination of private gun ownership one slice of the pie at a time.

    And the anti's will always be back for another slice.

    Anyone who thinks passing bans or restrictions will stop this kind of mayhem is, frankly, a fool.
     
  9. Brian in Oregon

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    http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2012/12/30/the-assault-weapons-ban-didnt-work-then-and-it-wont-work-now-n1476009/page/full/

    The Assault Weapons Ban Didn’t Work Then and It Won’t Work Now

    by Doug Giles
    Dec 30, 2012

    Senator Dianne Feinstein is queuing up come January 2013 to retable—yet again—an Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) in order to “severely mitigate the possibilities of another Sandy Hook atrocity.”

    Great idea, Dianne, as the first AWB that Clinton signed into law worked wonders in schools from 1994-2004. It was awesome. It panned out wonderfully aside from the following:

    * November 7, 1994: Wickliffe, Ohio: (Wickliffe Middle School shooting) Keith Ledeger, 37, a former student at the school, shot and killed custodian Pete Christopher and wounded four other adults.

    * January 12, 1995: Seattle, Washington: A 15-year-old Garfield High School student left school during the day and returned with his grandfather’s 9mm semiautomatic handgun. He wounded two students.

    * October 12, 1995: Blackville, South Carolina: (Blackville-Hilda High School shooting) Anthony Sincino, 16, killed one teacher and wounded another before committing suicide.

    * November 15, 1995: Lynnville, Tennessee: (Richland High School shooting) James Rouse, 17, killed a student and teacher and seriously wounded another teacher with a .22-caliber rifle.

    * February 2, 1996: Moses Lake, Washington: (Frontier Middle School shooting) Barry Loukaitis, 14, killed a teacher and two students and wounded another student when he opened fire on his algebra class.

    * August 15, 1996: San Diego, California: (San Diego State University shooting) Frederick Martin Davidson, a 36-year-old graduate student killed three professors that he believed were involved in a conspiracy against him.

    * September 17, 1996: State College, Pennsylvania: (Hetzel Union Building shooting) Jillian Robbins, 19, shoots and kills one student and injures two outside.

    * February 19, 1997: Bethel, Alaska: Bethel Regional High School student Evan Ramsey, 16, shot and killed the school’s principal and one student, and wounded two other students.

    * October 1, 1997: Pearl, Mississippi: (Pearl High School shooting) Luke Woodham, 16, murdered his mother at home before killing his ex-girlfriend and another student and wounding seven others at Pearl High School. He and his friends were said to be outcasts who worshiped Satan.

    * November 27, 1997: West Palm Beach, Florida: Conniston Middle School student Tronneal Magnum, 14, fatally shot Johnpierre Kamel, 14, outside school after an argument over a wristwatch.

    * December 1, 1997: West Paducah, Kentucky: (Heath High School shooting) Three students were killed and five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle.

    * December 15, 1997: Stamps, Arkansas: Joseph “Colt” Todd, 14, concealed in a wooded area on school grounds, shoots and wounds two students as they were entering Stamps High School.

    * March 24, 1998: Craighead County, Arkansas: Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, killed four students and one teacher and wounded ten others as Westside Middle School emptied during a fire alarm intentionally set off by Golden.

    * April 24, 1998: Edinboro, Pennsylvania (Parker Middle School dance shooting) Andrew Wurst, 14, fatally shot teacher John Gillette, 48, and wounded two students and a teacher at an 8th grade graduation dance.

    * May 19, 1998: Fayetteville, Tennessee: Jacob Davis, 18, shoots Robert Creson, 18, in a dispute over a girl.

    * May 21, 1998: Springfield, Oregon: After killing his parents at home, Kip Kinkel, 15, drove to Thurston High School where he shot and killed two students and wounded 25 others.

    * June 15, 1998: Richmond, Virginia: A 14-year-old student of Armstrong High School wounds a teacher and a school volunteer.

    * December 10, 1998: Detroit, Michigan: Professor Andrzej Olbrot is killed by graduate student Wlodzimierz Dedecjus, 48.

    * April 20, 1999: Littleton, Colorado: (Columbine High School massacre) Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, killed 12 students and one teacher, and wounded 21 others before committing suicide at Columbine High School.

    * May 20, 1999: Conyers, Georgia: (Heritage High School shooting) Six students injured by Thomas Solomon Jr., 15.

    * November 19, 1999: Deming, New Mexico: A 13-year-old girl fatally shot at Deming Middle School by Victor Cordova Jr., 13. Cordova stated he had intended to commit suicide but was jostled by others and the gun moved.

    * February 29, 2000: Elementary School, Flint, Michigan: 6-year-old Dedrick Owens, youngest-ever school shooter. Kayla Rolland was the single fatality.

    * May 26, 2000: Lake Worth, Florida: Lake Worth Middle School Florida teacher Barry Grunow was fatally shot by his student, 13-year-old Nathaniel Brazill, who had returned to school after being sent home at 1 p.m. by the assistant principal for throwing water balloons. Brazill returned to school on his bike with a 5-inch Raven and four bullets stolen from his grandfather the week before. Brazill was an honor student. Grunow was a popular teacher and Brazill's favorite.

    * August 28, 2000: University of Arkansas shooting at Fayetteville, Arkansas: At approximately 12:14 pm, Dr. John R. Locke, 67, Director of the Comparative Literature Program was shot and killed in his office by James E. Kelly, 36, a Comparative Literature PhD candidate who had recently been dismissed from the program for lack of progress toward his degree. Kelly shot Dr. Locke three times before taking his own life in Dr. Locke's office after it was cordoned off by campus police.

    * September 26, 2000: Darrel Johnson, 13, offender in Louisiana school shooting with 1 student fatality.

    * March 5, 2001: Charles Andrew William, age 15, offender in California school shooting at Santana High School, 15 wounded 2 of whom died.

    * March 30, 2001: Donald R. Burt Jr., age 18, offender in Indiana school shooting with 1 student fatality.

    * September 24, 2003: John Jason McLaughlin, age 15, offender in Minnesota school shooting with 2 student fatalities.

    * February 2, 2004: Unidentified offender in Washington, DC school shooting with 1 student fatality.

    * May 7, 2004: Unidentified 17-year-old offender in Maryland school shooting with 1 student fatality.

    And that’s excluding the Fairchild Air Force Base Massacre in 1994; the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building Massacre in 1995; the Caltrans Maintenance Yard Massacre in 1997; the Connecticut State Lottery Headquarters Massacre in 1998; the Wedgewood Baptist Church Massacre of 1999; the Xerox Office Building Massacre in 1999; the Edgewater Technology Office Massacre in 2000; and the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks which killed nearly 3,000 people (in which the culprits used box cutters and airplanes to pull that one off). We should have had an Assault Box Cutter and Airplane Ban in place I guess.

    Yep, excluding the aforementioned, the AWB that the Left put into practice nearly two decades ago really mitigated murderous schoolyard and workplace evil for its ten-year run, right?

    Ah, who am I kidding? The Assault Weapons Ban didn't work. School shootings shot through the roof, and lo and behold killers still found a way around the uber-strict regulations to carry out their death wishes with an assortment of weapons. Yep, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the biggest spike in school shootings in our nation’s short history occurred during the initial AWB. Google it and get back to me.

    Oh, and another thing according to a comprehensive Congressional Research Service report on guns and gun control legislation: Less than 2% of 203,300 state and federal prisoners who were armed during the crime for which they were incarcerated “used, carried, or possessed a semiautomatic assault weapon.” If the hooligans did use a gun it was mostly your normal, non-funky firearm, i.e. mostly hunting guns and non-"assault" weapons. But we can rest assured that the Progressives would never come after our Remington 870s and our revolvers (because they promised). Never. Ever. Ever.

    In addition to the AWB not really stemming the tide of gun violence in the public school systems, it sure didn’t calm things down in the “gun-free” Windy City, as Chi-town racked up a whopping 7,636 murders during the Clinton ban.

    Speaking of Chicago, this year alone 446 kids have been shot where guns have been verboten, and just this week Chicago hit 500 murders that have now occurred in the “gun free” Toddlin’ Town for 2012.

    It appears as if our former AWB and our current “gun free” zones don’t work.
     
  10. halfmile

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    snyder must belong to the young democrats sportie club.

    HM
     
  11. shannon391

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    The so called "assualt rifles+" are a very small part of gun violence statistics, handguns are used most by a very large margin, they will be next on the list.

    snyder needs to take up something safe, like knitting with the other skirts.

    Wait, those needles are long and pointy...
     
  12. bigdogtx

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    He sure isn't talking to patriots......


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  13. Bird30

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    smsyder they closed all the mental institutions and if you care to notice the people who are doing this are people who have mental problems. It doesn't seam that everyone wants to address the real problem.

    Dave
     
  14. Brian in Oregon

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    Quote: <i>"The so called "assualt rifles+" are a very small part of gun violence statistics, handguns are used most by a very large margin, they will be next on the list."</i>

    Actually, the proposed ban already hits handguns.

    First, there's the standard magazine ban.

    Second, you cannot have a threaded barrel for a compensator or muzzle brake.

    Third, there were weight restrictions in the first ban, so they're expected to show up in this ban. Some of the large hunting handguns could be affected.

    Fourth, Olympic grade target pistols with magazines in front of the trigger guard, like the Hammerli, would be banned because that inexplicably makes them an "assault weapon". Must be all those drive bys with Olympic target pistols.

    Fifth, you can't have a bayonet lug on a handgun. I don't know anyone who actually has one, but apparently handgun bayonetings are out of control.
     
  15. b12

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    Anybody thinks any kind of ban on any gun must be the stupidest SOB and might as well craw under the sheets with HIEL OBUMMER and kiss his Kenya ass. Bill
     
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    "smsyder they closed all the mental institutions and if you care to notice the people who are doing this are people who have mental problems. It doesn't seam that everyone wants to address the real problem."

    Uhhh, I believe you are trying to explain this to someone who belongs in one.
     
  17. Brian in Oregon

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

    Useful idiot

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In political jargon, useful idiot is a pejorative term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they do not understand, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause.

    The term has been used to refer to Soviet sympathizers in Western countries. The implication was that, although the people in question naïvely thought of themselves as an ally of the Soviet Union, they were actually held in contempt and were being cynically used. The use of the term in political discourse has since been extended to other propagandists, especially those who are seen to unwittingly support a malignant cause which they naïvely believe to be a force for good.
     
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