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Proposed Bill Could Ban Lead Ammunition in MA

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  1. bceagle

    bceagle TS Member

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    I've got to get out of this State.

    Proposed Bill Could Ban Lead Ammunition in Massachusetts!

    Please Contact Your State Legislator Today!



    House Bill 783 and Senate Bill 558 introduced by State Representative Jay Kaufman (D-15th Middlesex) and State Senator Steven Tolman (D-2nd Suffolk & Middlesex) would create a more restrictive policy regarding the use of "toxic chemicals" in the Commonwealth. Hidden within the proposal from environmental and anti-gun extremists is what amounts to a ban on all common rifle and handgun ammunition.



    "The Safer Alternatives Proposals" will create a program to replace ten "chemicals" with what proponents claim are safer alternatives. On the top of the list of targeted substances is lead, the common element used to make virtually all bullets. As proposed, this legislation could virtually shut down all shooting ranges as well as ban the sale and use of lead ammunition for self-defense, hunting and target practice in Massachusetts. Non-lead alternatives exist for ammunition but are significantly more expensive and, in many instances, have sub-standard performance characteristics. Shooting ranges already fall under federal EPA regulations concerning environmental impact and recent science and EPA guidelines show that lead ammunition on shooting ranges can be managed without detrimentally affecting the environment. Predictably, this legislation does not account for the serious impacts on shooting ranges and the sportsmen and gun owners who use them.



    Please call or write your State Legislator and respectfully request that the lead ammunition be completely excluded from the scope of the legislation. This step is essential in order to protect the future availability of ammunition commonly used for self-defense, hunting and the shooting sports in the Commonwealth! Contact information for your State Legislator can be found at http://www.mass.gov/legis/.
     
  2. over the hill

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    Wow this is a switch. These things usually start in Ca. and move Eastward.

    Heard on the radio this morning where Cal. is proposing a regulation that could control your thermostat when peak demand on elec. arises. Elec signals are sent automatically.

    Whats next???

    Regards Gerald
     
  3. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    Anything weird coming out of Mass. should come as no surprise. Just look at the trash that is elected from that state.

    I'm not picking on Mass., my state (Delaware) has it's own set of trash also!

    Curt
     
  4. cecritz

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    Where have you been Ca. has already banned lead for most of Ca. because of the should be extinct by now condor's there trying to raise at the cost of over a million per bird per year. That goes in effect July 2008.
     
  5. fearlessfain

    fearlessfain TS Member

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    has anything good ever come from mass?
     
  6. onlym12's

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    Remember Mitt romney was part of our "TRASH" from MASS

    Thanks, Mike
     
  7. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Well-Known Member

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    fearlessfain yes one or two. First won that comes to mind is the American Revolution you know the war that gave us what we have today for a country.

    Bob Lawless
     
  8. Brian in Oregon

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    The information on this bill is out of date. Apparently pressure from gun groups, hunters and sports shooters got these provisions sent back for rewriting, and the replacement legislation, S2406, does not contain provisions for banning lead bullets or shot.
     
  9. Brian in Oregon

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    The following was a general email sent out to members and staff of the Massachusetts legislature by one of the original sponsors of the bill. It was forwarded to me by a staff member for Massachusetts Speaker of the House Rep. Sal DiMasi:<br>
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    From: Ticotsky, Charles (HOU)<br>
    Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:50 AM<br>
    To: HOU-DL - HOUSE AIDES; HOU-DL - HOUSE STAFF; SEN-DL-ALLSTAFF<br>
    Subject: safer alternatives bill<br>
    <br>
    Some of your offices may have received calls and emails from
    constituents regarding an action alert from the NRA
    (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=3362) about the Safer
    Alternatives bill. In an effort to provide you with an accurate and
    effective response, we are sending out the following:<br>
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    The "action alert" sent out by the National Rifle Association this week
    has several significant inaccuracies.<br>
    <br>
    The Safer Alternatives Bill, currently Senate Bill 2406, carefully
    crafted over the course of several years in a collaboration of
    legislators, scientists, business leaders, and environmental leaders,
    does not ban any chemicals. Instead, it sets up a process, to be
    administered by the Toxics Use Reduction Institute (TURI) of the
    University of Massachusetts Lowell, to study chemicals. These chemicals
    would be chosen for study entirely by a large, diverse advisory panel,
    made up of stakeholders from industry, environmental activism,
    children's groups, and others. The chemicals have not been
    pre-selected. If it is determined that the chemical in question is
    harmful to health and/or safety, the next step would be to study whether
    there are feasible, cost-effective alternatives for each of the uses of
    that particular chemical. If there are no feasible alternatives,
    nothing happens. If there are, TURI would assist business in phasing in
    these alternatives. In sum, even if lead is identified as a harmful
    chemical and there is no reasonable alternative to lead in bullets,
    there would be no action taken to current practices and products.<br>
    <br>
    This bill, in short, does not represent a "ban on all common rifle and
    handgun ammunition." If you would like more information, please feel
    free to contact Senator Tolman's office at (617) 722-1280 or
    Representative Kaufman's office at (617) 722-2240. Thank you.<br>
    <br>
    -----------------------------<br>
    Charles Ticotsky<br>
    Legislative Aide<br>
    Representative Jay R. Kaufman<br>
    Chairman, Joint Committee on Public Service<br>
    State House Room 156 Boston, MA 02133<br>
    617.722.2240<br>
     
  10. alfermann66

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    And guess what the study is going to find!

    Buz
     
  11. Brian in Oregon

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    Oh for sure. And note the weasel word phrase: "In sum, even if lead is identified as a harmful chemical and there is no reasonable alternative to lead in bullets, there would be no action taken to current practices and products."

    AND there are no "reasonable alternatives".

    Who is to say what "reasonable" is?

    Steel shot is being used for waterfowl, and there are even steel trap loads now. So replacing lead shot universally might be viewed as a "reasonable alternative".

    Barnes makes solid copper bullets. Would those be a "reasonable alternative"?

    Muzzleloaders are now using plastic sabots with pistol bullets. So are those a "reasonable alternative" to lead balls and conicals?

    The iffy one is .22 LR. But hey, the .17 HMR and M2 and the .22 WMRF use jacketed bullets, so maybe solid copper for them as well? Is that a "reasonable alternative"?

    It reminds me of "reasonable gun control", which is simply a weasel word phrase for "gun bans".
     
  12. over the hill

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    Fearlessfain. I presume you are talking politicians when you say ..Has anything good ever come from Mass.Some of the finest machine tools, watches, guns, instrumentation, Etc has come from that state.


    Gerald
     
  13. Don Steele

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    The last time the government tried to take lead away from the citizens in Massachusets...they started in a little town called Lexington...and a bunch of the locals got together and said ..NO..
    Whatever happened to those kind of citizens up there in the Commonwealth...???
     
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