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Professional Trap Shooting Assocation ?????

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Pony Keg, Aug 25, 2008.

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  1. Pony Keg

    Pony Keg TS Member

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    I was wondering, what it would take to start a Pro series with the support of the ATA. The ATA has the venues and the logistics. Pro shoots could run at the same time as the regular shoots.

    Has anyone given any serious thought to this idea? Has anyone developed a plan? Many on here have stated that the time has come for a Pro series. I think it would be a great idea. The biggest thing is that if a shooter turns pro, the shooter should not need to work a day job as long as he is competitive with the other pros. And the pro shooter would no longer compete with the amateur shooters. There would have to be televised coverage and interest as well.

    Very truly yours,

    Jeff Warren
     
  2. W.P.T.

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    Great Idea, I'm surprised no one has ever thought of that before ... Name the Professionals please and send out some notifications ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  3. Big Heap

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    A few sponsors and you would be off and running.
     
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    Money. Lots and lots of money.
     
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    You beat me to this thread. Imho a pro would be anyone that won the Grand previously, anyone that makes a living from the sport like Phil Kiner, Kaye Ohey?, Leo Harrison and any others giving shooting lessond for payment. I think the idea is great. This would give other ATA shooters room to move up the ladder. Once someone won Grand thet would be elevated to pro status and no longer able to compete as an amatuer. Murray.
     
  6. markdenis

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    Yes there has been many discussions on this subject and plenty of reasons why this sport should have a professional division. As a matter of fact, this is the only sport on the planet that competes for money and trophies on a regular basis I know of that DOES NOT have a professional division.

    WHY DOES IT NOT? In my opinion, and there will be plenty more I am sure, the biggest reason this sport does not have a professional division is because the optimal outcome (score) is almost always achieved. The only difference is who does it or how long the shoot will take before a winner is determined...boring for sponsors.

    Mark Rounds
     
  7. mette56

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    Jeff,

    Yes, this has been tried before during the 1970's I believe. It was called TTA or Tournament Trapshooters Association. Gene Sears was one of the originators (if not the originator) of the TTA. I attended TTA shoots at Elliotts Shooting Park in Raytown, MO (old KCTA home grounds in KC). And at the old Phoenix club held during the days leading up to the AZ State Shoot (or maybe it was the Phoenix winter chain shoot). There were only a few held. They were fun, drew lots of shooters, but didn't last long. I have no idea why it did not succeed, others would know. Anyone, regardless of skill, was invited. My recollection is that it's purpose was to bring "money" into the sport (money given back to shooters).

    I still have a TTA shooting hat.

    milt
     
  8. Pony Keg

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    I am just brain storming. I do NOT wish to change the current ATA rules.

    I am refering to a ligitimate Professional Series. The current target may need to be changed for the PRO shooters 50 mph target with a straight away from one and five for moderatly tougher angles and a different shoot off that is not as boring as the current system. Maybe a combo of all the disiplines like the HAA & HOA now. Also, each event could have a qualifying event for semi pros to qualify to shoot with the best of the game.

    We call the teaching shooters PROs and they may be. But a true pro should make serious money like $250,000.00 per year and UP.

    WHY NOT?

    Jeff Warren
     
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    mette56 is correct. one problem this sport has being televised is that it is very difficult for the viewer to see the target actually break. to televise anything you need sponcers. with alot of anti gunners, numerous sponcers are afraid they will lose a large amount of their customers. i believe the only way something like this could possibly work is to get shooters who are actors and actresses to get involved and participate in the events, like a golf pro am.
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    I believe the Tournament Trapshooters Association was originated by Bob Taylor of Las Vegas. Not Gene Sears. I posted a picture of my TTA hat a couple of years ago. Jimmy Borum

    And I might add, it was a flop.
     
  11. phirel

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    Two years ago there was a serious effort to establish a professional shooting circuit by a couple of shooters who had knowledge about promoting and running a commercial operation. The effort failed.

    Pat Ireland
     
  12. Pony Keg

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    Taking a negative attitude about the idea is not the right way to look at the possibility. If you do not like the idea or you do not have anything constructive to say about it, please do not reply.

    Targets can be seen if we use the ones like the Olympic shooters use that have the bright orange powder in them. They show up real well when they are hit and with then new HD cameras the picture is stunning.

    Someone has to have thought this through in the past. Let’s look at what didn't work and change it. Let’s look at what worked and see how we can make it work better. Nothing is impossible with the right attitude and perseverance.
     
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    Pony:

    This was discussed in detail here over the past few years. Try a search of past threads.

    The bottom line is that it will not work because you will never be able to raise enough money to make it work. PERIOD.
     
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    Pony Keg, the ball is in your court, go for it. Perhaps this thought came from a pony keg? BRGII
     
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    Bob Taylor was a great guy but he learned the truth of the old adage of "the way to make a small fortune in trapshooting is to start with a large one!"
     
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    Pony Keg- Why don't you take the first step toward this goal. You could attract the top shooters with some added money and produce a pilot that might be sole to a producer. Then the producer would be responsible for selling the program to a network.

    Pat Ireland
     
  17. mette56

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    Jimmy,

    Any idea why it flopped?



    Jeff: $250,000.00 per year income from shooting? I wish! That would benefit all shooters if you could attract that kind of money to our sport.

    Curvey has encouraged us all to contact FOX regarding their generous showing of the Beijing shooting events. Maybe the ATA could hire a specialist to solicit sponsorship from majors such as Bud, or even FOX. And, if there is more money to be won, more people will be attracted....shooters, spectators, visitors and media. Would that be a way to eventually overcome the stigma attached to guns and shooting??

    I hope someday sports cameras will be more advanced so that trap would be more exciting to watch on TV...that would help.

    How about an ATA media specialist to help get us "plugged in" to the main stream??? During the 1960's, Sports Afield Magazine would publish some trap results because Jimmy Robinson was an editor there. Remember the "Jimmy Robinson's Sports Afield All American Trap Team?? Jimmy did a great job getting the ATA "on the map" in the early days.

    Not that the ATA isn't trying, or doing anything other than an excellent job on our behalf, just a few ideas.

    milt
     
  18. spitter

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    Income is not the professional threshold.

    If one promotes themself as a shooting sports expert, regardless of what ability one has to generate income, than one is a shooting sports professional irrespective of the amount of income generated.

    I don't think a separate tour is what is required, but separate divisions and classifications are. There use to be an "industry class", bring it back... if a shooter talks like a pro, works like a pro, they be a pro...

    Let the pros deal with that conundrum - I can't really understand the impetus for a pro to compete against an amateur anyway... someone explain that challenge me - unless its only about taking dough or selling more product.

    For any amateur athlete, to challenge any professional athlete is the mountain to be climbed. For a pro (recognized or not) a loss to an amateur (anything is possible) only hurts their reputation and possibly their business model, which might make potential customers question their ability.

    Take the PGA model, even their pros have separate events for seniors who can't cut the mustard against youthful pros... we don't have to re-invent the wheel, just not be reticent to kick the tires a bit...

    Respectfully offered,

    Jay
     
  19. RLC323

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    I would guess the top ten on the All American list are pretty happy with the money as it is. Most of them drove carts at the Grand, none of them slept in the tent camping area, and they could afford to shoot most all of the events.

    I even saw some of them at Southside Ribs enjoying a meal, no baloney sandwiches for these guys. Life is good at the top, why change things?

    After the Grand they all loaded up and went to Ohio for the Cardinal Classic. While you and I went back to work. The pro circuit is alive and well, it is just not defined as such!
     
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    So far there has been not a new or original idea posted on this thread. The gun, amunition, and equipment manufactures are not willing to support the venue. The cost would be far more than any benefit for them. If some one thinks it will work and is willing to put up money to attract professinals who want to shoot against themselves instead of us want-to-bees I'd really root for them. You would have to have enough money involved so a pro could make a good income, pay for travel, health insurance, equipment, entry fees ect.. Ten million up front might be a good starting number. So I say go for it. JMHO Post-2
     
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