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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by trinketshooter, Jan 15, 2011.

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  1. trinketshooter

    trinketshooter TS Member

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    I see alot of posts about how horrible it is that the current president has taken some vacations. This may be of interest to some. I got it from a golf site. Neil

    "Question by Bertrand Encourages Thought: What’s the difference between Bush’s “ranching days” and Obama’s “golf days”?
    It’s not like either of them can do their job while doing these yet I hear a lot of people making the inference that Obama is a bone idle president because he’s already taken more “golf days” than Bush did in his 8 years in office. But, George W. Bush took 977 vacation days, out of 2,923 days in office, roughly 33% of his entire presidency.

    How can you expect me to take your criticisms seriously when you don’t blast Bush for spending about 33% of his presidency away on vacation? And even if you did, how can you even make the claims knowing this? And how can you make this in comparison to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush spent more time on “vacation” during their first year than President Obama did? This looks like a fantastic double-standard.
    @fsfa: Evidence?"
     
  2. shooterIII

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    Just look at all of trinkets post, it's just a constant barrage of liberal drivel!!!!
     
  3. Catpower

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    Neil, you need to get a job, at least something besides bashing Bush all the time

    At least Bush didn't use tax payer's money to take everybody that he ever knew with him
     
  4. trinketshooter

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    shooter, the sad thing for all of us is that the things I say are true. I get razzed and called names for my posts but, out of all of those people on this site that like to throw baseless allegations around about the current administration, nobody seems to be able or willing to present contrary evidence to the things that I say. I don't see Obama going down in history as a great president any more than Bush. I do live in the real world and in the real world, truth matters. Neil
     
  5. R.Kipling

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    I usually try to avoid these threads, but I have to make an exception here. First, the source of your information is either the Huffington Post, or worst yet, The Annenberg Foundation's (George Soros) Factcheck.org - neither qualify as anything close to objective.

    Second, let's look at the dollar figures involved in W. Bush going to 'his own home' in Crawford Texas, or Camp David - both of which are working locals; and, the Billions - with a B, 600 person, 50 airplane (& PO-family) trip to India that entailed leasing out the entire Taj Mahal hotel. Michelle and the girl's trip to Spain, and the Maine trip (God help me - Bar Harbor will never be the same).

    Then, there is the $50,000 dinner date to NYC '0' let us pay for too. The list just keeps coming. Oh, and don't forget all the WH parties with Kobie Beef flown in just for his Hollyweird guests, on our credit card. It just never stops with the welfare prez.

    Crawford was Administration Central when George W was there. '0' played basketball every day in India. 'Day's' don't mean much, circumstances and dollars do.

    Trinket, you're trying to compare the shoe boxes - look at the shoes. George W wears cowboy boots, and '0', well, '0' wears Ruby slippers, that we buy for him.

    IMHO,
    Kip
     
  6. trinketshooter

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    Here are figures for first year in office. Neil

    January 11, 2010
    Q: Has President Obama taken more vacation time than his predecessors?

    A: According to one count, Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush spent more time on "vacation" during their first year than President Obama did. Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton spent less time on "vacation."



    FULL ANSWER

    President Obama has spent all or part of 26 days "on vacation" during his first year as president, according to CBS News White House Correspondent Mark Knoller.

    Knoller, who has covered every president since Gerald Ford and is known for keeping detailed records on presidential travel, counts the following among President Obama’s "vacations" in 2009:

    ?A four-day holiday weekend in Chicago in February where the president played some basketball and treated First Lady Michelle Obama to a Valentine’s Day dinner date.
    ?An eight-day stay with his family at a rented house on Martha’s Vineyard in August.
    ? A trip out west to the U.S. states of Montana, Wyoming, Colorado and Arizona that combined both business and pleasure. The president held town hall meetings on health care during the trip. And he went fly fishing and took trips to Yellowstone National Park and the Grand Canyon with his wife and two daughters.
    ?An 11-day stay in Hawaii where the president and his family celebrated Christmas and New Year’s Eve.
    Some of the president’s recent predecessors, however, have spent more days — either entirely or partially — away from the White House "on vacation" during their first year in office.

    President Reagan, in 1981, spent all or part of 42 days away from the White House "on vacation" at his home in Santa Barbara, Calif, according to Knoller. President Reagan and his wife, Nancy, also spent three or four days around New Year’s Day each year in Palm Springs, Calif., at the home of philanthropist Walter Annenberg. (In 1993 the late Mr. Annenberg founded the nonpartisan Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, which is FactCheck.org’s parent organization.)

    President George W. Bush spent even more time away from the presidential mansion in the nation’s capital than Reagan. Of the 77 total "vacation" trips the former president made to his Texas ranch while in office, nine of them — all or part of 69 days — came during his first year as president in 2001, according to Knoller.

    Bush’s father, President George H.W. Bush, spent less time "on vacation" during his first year than his son, but spent more days than President Obama. According to travel records provided to FactCheck.org by the George Bush Presidential Library and Museum, the former president took six trips — spanning all or part of 40 days — to the Bush family compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1989. The archivist at Bush’s presidential library told us she didn’t have a list of all vacations but did have the Kennebunkport visits.

    But at least two recent presidents — by Knoller’s count — took less "vacation" time during their first year than President Obama — Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.

    According to Knoller, Carter spent just 19 days "on vacation" in 1977. Most of that time, Knoller says, the former president spent at his home in Plains, Ga. President Clinton took all or part of 174 days of vacation during his eight years as president — most of that "vacation" time was during the summer, according to Knoller. But Knoller says Clinton only took 21 "vacation" days during his first year.

    It’s worth mentioning that President Obama has also made 11 trips — all or part of 27 days — to Camp David, the presidential retreat in Frederick County, Md. Knoller, however, says he doesn’t count trips to Camp David as part of any presidents’ "vacation" time. But for the sake of comparison, President George W. Bush, made more trips to that country residence than Obama. According to Knoller, Bush made 25 trips — a total of 78 days — to Camp David in 2001.

    But no matter how much time a president actually spends away from the official residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., Knoller says that the commander in chief is never really off the clock. "I have long held the view that a US president is never really on vacation," Knoller told FactCheck.org in an e-mail. "The job - and its awesome powers and responsibilities - is his wherever he is and whatever he’s doing."

    –D’Angelo Gore

    Sources
    Knoller, Mark. CBS News White House Correspondent, Radio. E-mail sent to FactCheck.org. 6 Jan 2010.

    Knoller, Mark. "Can a President Really Take a Vacation?" CBS News "Political HotSheet" Blog. 24 Dec 2009.

    Knoller, Mark. "Obama Seeks Rest on Foray Out West." CBS News "Political HotSheet" Blog. 14 Aug 2009.

    Hendler, Clint. "Mark Knoller Knows." Columbia Journalism Review. 9 Dec 2009.

    Elliott, Phillip. "Obama Returns Home for First Time as President." Associated Press. 13 Feb 2009.

    Associated Press. "Obama family vacationing in Martha’s Vineyard." MSNBC.com. 23 Aug 2009.

    Nakaso, Dan. "President Obama and his family leave Isles after Hawaii vacation." Honolulu Advertiser. 4 Jan 2010.
     
  7. halfmile

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    I guess "Date Night in Paris" to the tune of a million or so using Air Force one to go there, doesn't count because it wasn't a full overnight vacation.

    But we paid just as much as if it were.

    Neil has sand in his vagina.

    HM
     
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    FactCheckFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
    FactCheck URL www.factcheck.org
    Commercial? no
    Available language(s) English

    FactCheck.org is a non-partisan,[1] nonprofit[2] website that describes itself as a "'consumer advocate' for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics."[3] It is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania, and is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.

    This is what I found. Neil
     
  9. R.Kipling

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    now, check out the Annenberg foundation.......

    Neil,

    And, I mean no ill-regard. We are in danger of becoming a nation of Dung Beetles. Sitting on top of a favorite pile of crap, stuffing armloads of a favorite smell isn't even meaningful partisanship.

    Here is a quick web site article that has links to more substantive resources.

    Kip
     
  10. trinketshooter

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    I read the link. That is an interesting connection. I don't really know what to make of the connection though, as Walter Annenberg was a well known supporter of republican interests.

    Mark Knoller is a CBS white house correspondent. He does not work for factcheck.org. If and when Obama surpasses the other president, he will report that, too. News and facts are his line of work. Neil
     
  11. trinketshooter

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    Kip, I couldn't get the link to go directly to what you were. What did you search to find the dollar figures on the Newsweek site? I would like to read it. This was the first one that I found searching "Presidential Vacations" on the link you provided.

    Presidential Vacations Depend on Who Takes Them
    Only a few days into his weeklong getaway on Martha's Vineyard, President Obama has shown he can stretch his vacation muscle. He was photographed this morning playing a round of golf with a plan to squeeze in some tennis in the afternoon. In response to a question about what the first family has planned for the rest of the week, a White House spokesman says that even Obama himself doesn't have a ?schedule?the true shaking of the organizational leash that comes with the presidency. We're also told he won't be making any public appearances.

    All presidents take some time off this time of year, but in decidedly different ways. Some have used August to have surgery, while others try to reconnect with their families and home towns. We bring you the more colorful, contrived or just plain peculiar presidential vacations on which Secret Service has had to tag along.

    A president might be able to keep a low profile on vacation, but it's an uphill battle to completely avoid the omnipresent eyes of the press. Grover Cleveland needed some privacy and had an idea. Suffering from mouth cancer, Cleveland assembled a team of doctors and had surgery aboard a friend's yacht en route to Buzzard's Bay, Mass. Despite Cleveland being temporarily incapacitated and hyped up on anesthetic laughing gas, no political power was ever transferred. The secret remained with Cleveland and close aides for more than 25 years, revealed only after he died.

    President George W. Bush knew how to get away, famously taking a full month off each year plus other scattered vacations (staffers called Bush's trips to his ranch in Crawford, Texas, "working vacations"). Bush had the most benign of interests?chopping wood and clearing brush?but when Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Bush was on vacation, still chopping wood and still clearing brush, which critics pointed to when accusing the president of a sluggish and indolent return to Washington to coordinate federal aid.


    While Bill Clinton loved putting his feet up at Martha's Vineyard, White House aides thought that the New England coast made the president look overly extravagant and out of touch with much of working America. So in 1995 and 1996, Clinton went along with a finely crafted vacation to Jackson Hole, Wyo., where pollsters thought he could foster a more rugged image, hiking some trails and chopping some wood. The plan didn't work so well as Clinton spent much of his time playing golf.

    Annual sojourns are meant to for getting away and unwinding, but Dwight Eisenhower, apparently, just couldn't relax. In 1953, while on vacation in Augusta, Ga., Eisenhower suffered a heart attack. Exactly two years later, this time on vacation in Colorado, he suffered another.

    After spending several days fishing on a remote island off the Georgia coast, Jimmy Carter ended his vacation with a full family reunion at the Georgia home of his son, Jack. News of the president in town didn't stay a secret long. After visiting with family, Carter walked to the town square to shake awaiting hands.

    And we tip our hats to The Christian Science Monitor for this one. Lyndon Johnson had a 400-acre ranch in Texas around which he loved to drive a white Lincoln Continental. On one trip, with reporters along for the ride, Johnson pulled up to a sow with several piglets and offered to pose for photos with the pig if any of the journalists could grab one of the babies. More difficult than it sounded, the sow angrily charged one of the reporters, leaving Johnson squealing "Whooeee!" with laughter.

    The Death by 1000 papercuts site is probably not a non-partisan site either. Neil
     
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    here we go again...Neil what do you want ? Yes alot of people take vacations and some do not. Obama does he shoot guns and trap ? this is a trap discussion site not a site to question our opinion on some one running or trying to run the government..get a life and talk about guns man...do you have any ? I sure like my 20 g Remington plus a few more, but really like to shoot skeet at times too...how about you dude ?
     
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    Skeet, trap, and occasionally, sporting clays. Neil
     
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    well then lets keep on track of that for a change
     
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    Neil has no time to shoot he's too busy looking up shit to bash Bush

    He's an expert at bashing Bush

    Expert: Ex = has been, Spurt = a drip under pressure
     
  16. trinketshooter

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    I started this thread that all presidents are scrutinized for their vacations. Here is another from the Newsweek site:

    A Short History of Presidential Vacation Outrage
    (Page 1 of 2)

    Pete Souza / The White House-Getty Images
    The Obama family hikes in Maine's Acadia National Park on July 16, 2010
    The only thing worse than having to work while lots of people are on vacation must be having to work in the press pool covering people on vacation. Because just as predictable as the pundit machine's August fixation on silly stuff is that the press corps will find something scandalous to say about a presidential vacation. Not just Obama. Every president. Despite White House spokesman Bill Burton's suggestion that the Obamas are being harassed with unprecedented attack for their recent leisure travels, this is nothing new. As Kenneth Walsh says, criticizing the president's cottage destination has become a cottage industry in D.C.: "No matter who is the president, the opposition party delights in criticizing him for taking time off, billing it as insensitive to the problems of struggling Americans, demonstrating aristocratic excess, or betraying some hedonistic character flaw." The only thing new are the creative methods of finding fault with taking time off. In that spirit, here's a short guide to how to turn a presidential vacation into a "scandal."

    Jorge Guerrero / AFP-Getty Images
    Michelle (left) and Sasha (second from left) Obama with members of their entourage in Ronda, Spain on August 7, 2010.
    The Obamas
    Vacationing in an Elitist Enclave: For their first major vacation since President Obama took office, the first family chose to visit Martha's Vineyard in August 2009. The press breathlessly described the island off Cape Cod as a playground for "the liberal elite." The New York Times hosted an online debate about how much Democrats love the resort. When the first family announced its plans to return to Martha's Vineyard a year later, conservative commentator Michelle Malkin was outraged at the "spendapalooza." When Michelle and Sasha Obama traveled to Spain, they were hounded for taking too lavish a vacation, with one columnist claiming the first lady was a "modern-day Marie Antoinette."


    Recklessly Rubbing Elbows with the Hoi Polloi: In June 2010, President and Mrs. Obama took a romantic getaway to the Big Apple for a weekend. The RNC, seizing on news that GM was about to file for bankruptcy, issued a release attacking the president: "Putting on a show: Obamas wing into the city for an evening out while another iconic American company prepares for bankruptcy." Other critics grumbled that the Obamas were wasting taxpayer dollars by visiting a big city where they required a large and costly security detail.


    Traveling Too Far from the Heartland: When the so-called "Underpants Bomber" attempted to ignite explosives on a flight to Detroit on Christmas Day 2009, Obama was with his family in Hawaii, the state where he was born. GOP strategist Kevin Madden earned attention (and ridicule) for telling CNN, "You have to also remember the fact that the president being on vacation in Hawaii, it's much different than being in Texas. Hawaii to many Americans seems like a foreign place."


    Traveling Too Near the Heartland: When Obama opted to head to Chicago for Memorial Day 2010 and lay a wreath at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery—leaving Vice President Biden to visit Arlington National Cemetery—he was blasted as unpatriotic. But liberal media watchdogs Media Matters noted that President Ronald Reagan and both Presidents Bush did the same.

    A Short History of Presidential Vacation Outrage
    (Page 2 of 2)
    Pete Souza / The White House-Getty ImagesThe Obama family hikes in Maine's Acadia National Park on July 16, 2010

    The only thing worse than having to work while lots of people are on vacation must be having to work in the press pool covering people on vacation. Because just as predictable as the pundit machine's August fixation on silly stuff is that the press corps will find something scandalous to say about a presidential vacation. Not just Obama. Every president. Despite White House spokesman Bill Burton's suggestion that the Obamas are being harassed with unprecedented attack for their recent leisure travels, this is nothing new. As Kenneth Walsh says, criticizing the president's cottage destination has become a cottage industry in D.C.: "No matter who is the president, the opposition party delights in criticizing him for taking time off, billing it as insensitive to the problems of struggling Americans, demonstrating aristocratic excess, or betraying some hedonistic character flaw." The only thing new are the creative methods of finding fault with taking time off. In that spirit, here's a short guide to how to turn a presidential vacation into a "scandal."

    Jorge Guerrero / AFP-Getty ImagesMichelle (left) and Sasha (second from left) Obama with members of their entourage in Ronda, Spain on August 7, 2010.

    The ObamasVacationing in an Elitist Enclave: For their first major vacation since President Obama took office, the first family chose to visit Martha's Vineyard in August 2009. The press breathlessly described the island off Cape Cod as a playground for "the liberal elite." The New York Times hosted an online debate about how much Democrats love the resort. When the first family announced its plans to return to Martha's Vineyard a year later, conservative commentator Michelle Malkin was outraged at the "spendapalooza." When Michelle and Sasha Obama traveled to Spain, they were hounded for taking too lavish a vacation, with one columnist claiming the first lady was a "modern-day Marie Antoinette."

    Recklessly Rubbing Elbows with the Hoi Polloi: In June 2010, President and Mrs. Obama took a romantic getaway to the Big Apple for a weekend. The RNC, seizing on news that GM was about to file for bankruptcy, issued a release attacking the president: "Putting on a show: Obamas wing into the city for an evening out while another iconic American company prepares for bankruptcy." Other critics grumbled that the Obamas were wasting taxpayer dollars by visiting a big city where they required a large and costly security detail.



    Traveling Too Far from the Heartland: When the so-called "Underpants Bomber" attempted to ignite explosives on a flight to Detroit on Christmas Day 2009, Obama was with his family in Hawaii, the state where he was born. GOP strategist Kevin Madden earned attention (and ridicule) for telling CNN, "You have to also remember the fact that the president being on vacation in Hawaii, it's much different than being in Texas. Hawaii to many Americans seems like a foreign place."


    Traveling Too Near the Heartland: When Obama opted to head to Chicago for Memorial Day 2010 and lay a wreath at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery—leaving Vice President Biden to visit Arlington National Cemetery—he was blasted as unpatriotic. But liberal media watchdogs Media Matters noted that President Ronald Reagan and both Presidents Bush did the same.


    Vacationing Too Frequently: So have the Obamas traveled too much? That's what some critics say, pointing out that they've now been on some seven vacations. The RNC also chided Obama for playing too much golf.


    Vacationing Too Little: Under fire for traveling to luxury resorts, the Obamas have scheduled a trip to Florida's Gulf Coast this weekend. But critics howl: they'll only spend 27 hours there! (One Internet forum cracked, "Will 27 hours be long enough for Obama to see how many jobs he killed in the gulf?") While attacking a president for spending too little time on vacation might seem unorthodox, there's more. Some commentators seem to wonder whether there will be enough leisure involved, given that Obama intends to meet with local business owners. And Matt Drudge demands to know: "Will Sasha swim in the Gulf?"

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    President Bush cycles on his ranch Crawford, Texas, on July 27, 2004.
    The Bushes

    Vacationing Too Much: When President George W. Bush left office, CBS' numbers guru Mark Knoller calculated that Bush spent 487 days at Camp David and 490 at his ranch in Crawford, Texas. It wasn't the first time that had come up. A weeks-long holiday in summer 2005 was interrupted first by antiwar protestor Cindy Sheehan, who camped outside his ranch and demanded to meet the president, earning significant attention. Then things got worse, as Hurricane Katrina hits Louisiana, and liberals promptly bashed Bush for being on vacation when disaster struck. As a result, the spotlight was on the following summer. In August 2006, The Washington Post devoted a lengthy analysis to his vacation habits, while liberal TV host Keith Olbermann of MSNBC likened Bush to British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, who, he says, vacationed while Hitler invaded parts of Europe.

    Ignoring Work on Vacation: Although it wasn't an issue at the time, Bush's time at his ranch in late summer 2001 became a point of contention later on. As Fred Kaplan and Dan Froomkin later pointed out, it was during this time that Bush was briefed on the activities of some of the 9/11 hijackers, reportedly telling a briefer, "All right. You've covered your ass, now." By the time the hijackers struck the Pentagon and World Trade Center the following month, Bush had returned from his holiday. Liberal documentarian Michael Moore later ridiculed Bush in his film Fahrenheit 9/11, using a clip of Bush offering the press a quote, then turning away and saying, "Now, watch this drive."


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    President Clinton (right) golfs on Martha's Vineyard on August 5, 2000
    The Clintons, Bushes, Reagans and Before

    Not Ignoring Work on Vacation: Following attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, President Clinton took time from a trip to Martha's Vineyard to order cruise missile strikes against presumed Al Qaeda targets, subsequently facing some criticism for launching attacks from the comfortable confines of the island. That was a reprise of an earlier incident when President George H.W. Bush came under fire for remaining at the Bush family compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, during the planning of the first Gulf War, rather than returning to Washington.


    Being Too Focused on Family Values: You don't believe pundits have been criticizing presidents for as long as they've been vacationing, and for any available reason? Try this on one for size: in 1798, President John Adams left the capital for seven months to care for his ailing wife, prompting snickers among opponents that he had relinquished his office. The more things change...

    For more information, check out Factcheck.org's tally of President Obama's vacation days as compared to Presidents Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter and Ford.


    It seems that Newsweek finds Factcheck.org to be a reputable source. Neil
     
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    Well Trinket I will tell you what I find interesting you always only give the information that fits your point of view. You never give all the facts, such as the following.

    " But it turns out Obama has already spent nearly half his presidency outside Washington. As of January 2, Obama has been president for 712 days. According to figures compiled by CBS News reporter Mark Knoller, who serves as a sort of unofficial White House record-keeper, Obama has spent 339 of those days -- nearly 48 percent -- outside Washington.

    According to Knoller, Obama has spent 176 days on domestic trips, 70 days on foreign travel, 58 days on vacation, and 35 days at Camp David. (You can add a couple more vacation days to the total before the president returns from his break in Hawaii.) Nevertheless, Jarrett claimed that Obama has had to spend "almost every waking hour in Washington" since taking office. The truth is more like half of that.

    And the president will likely spend more time away from the capital in the months ahead. Jarrett is no doubt right that Obama believes he needs to devote more time to "engaging" the American people. But Knoller's figures show that the people already see a lot of the president. Of Obama's 712 days in office, just 45 days have passed without a presidential public appearance or statement of some sort, according to Knoller.

    But even as he has appeared on America's television screens nearly non-stop, Obama's job approval rating has steadily inched downward. According to the Real Clear Politics average of polls, Obama's approval rating stands at 45.4 percent, versus a 47.9 percent disapproval rating. (The president's approval rating in the RCP average was last at 50 percent in January 2010, last above 55 percent in July 2009, and last above 60 percent in June '09.) In addition, polls show that voters disapprove of Obama's handling of the economy, as well as other key issues, and also disapprove of his signature achievement, the national health care law. All the while, the American people have been seeing and hearing the president almost daily, sometimes two or more times a day.
    So as he begins his re-election campaign, Obama can travel even more and engage the people more. But that won't change the fact that many voters simply don't like what he has done.

    Now it seems funny that you never mentioned these fact quite convenyent that you over looked them just like they don't exist. Not quite what I would call fair play. Would you?

    AS is with everything you post you only post what fits your cause at the time. It doesn't matter if it is accurate or not just as long as it makes you look good.

    Bob Lawless
     
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    Neil,,,,Crawford was his home; true,,,,but you truly FAIL to truthfully report that Crawford had every communication that the eastern White House,,,,not too many computers on the golf course or basketball court,,,,you might try a more relevant comparison.....
     
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    Ivanhoe, If I would have found that link, I would have posted it. I believe what it says. It truthfully gives the amount of time spent on vacation. It does not say that Obama has spent half his time in office on vacation. I started this thread to point out that all presidents have taken, and been scrutinized for taking vacations, not that one president has taken more than another. They all do it. Neil

    P.S. Ivanhoe, I haven't seen your response to the proof that I provided you on the other thread yet.
     
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    Trinket as you always do you make claims and you never provide a link to what you are writing. I deliberately didn't provide a link to what I post because what is good for the goose is good for the gander. In your first post you said,

    "I see a lot of posts about how horrible it is that the current president has taken some vacations. This may be of interest to some. I got it from a golf site."

    A Golf site that would be this one,

    http://14clubs.info/whats-the-difference-between-bushs-ranching-days-and-obamas-golf-days.html

    The one I quoted was two down on the Google list,

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101227135656AAXzGb0

    Another interesting fact that I found was the following.

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_vacation_days_has_obama_taken_so_far

    Visitors to the Bush Crawford, TX ranch have included:

    Russian President Vladimir Putin, November 2001

    British Prime Minister Tony Blair, April 2002

    Saudi King Abdullah, April 2002, April 2005

    Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, August 2002

    Chinese President Ji?ng Zémín, October 2002

    Spanish Prime Minister José María Aznar, February 2003

    Australian Prime Minister John Howard, May 2003

    Japanese Prime Minister Koizumi Jun'ichir?, May 2003

    Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, July 2003

    Mexican President Vicente Fox, March 2004, March 2005

    Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, April 2004

    Spanish King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofía, November 2004

    Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, March 2005

    Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, April 2005

    Colombian President Álvaro Uribe, August 2005

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel, November 2007[12]

    Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, February 2008[13]

    The funny part of all these quotes are they aren't all the truth but of course you call them facts. As an example

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_days_has_Obama_taken_vacation

    "Says Knoller says President George W. Bush spent 879 days on holiday during his eight years in office."

    That is 98 day difference quoted from the same person. So someone is lying. Therefore the available fact aren't reliable making this entire thread a large pile of sh**.

    You said ,

    "I started this thread to point out that all presidents have taken, and been scrutinized for taking vacations, not that one president has taken more than another."

    Yet you quote information and claim it is facts when two different website quote the same person and the so called facts don't match!!!!!!!

    "It truthfully gives the amount of time spent on vacation. It does not say that Obama has spent half his time in office on vacation."

    Well according to this website the truth is some what jaded.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014132-503544.html

    This is Mr. Obama's 9th vacation since taking office. As of today, he has spent all or part of 38 days on "vacation" away from the White House. He has also made 14 visits to Camp David spanning all or part of 32 days. It brings his total time away to all or part of 70 days.

    Now my Calculator says that this is 4.22 days per vacation. I seriously doubt it. What I am getting at is in the other thread that you provided proof for. You call proof the opinion of some General and the opinion of a Islamic writer. Sorry but opinions from anyone don't constitute FACTS.

    Lastly you aren't trying to blame Bush as one president has taken more than another. So why the thread George W Bush quotes. I think you are nothing but a Liberal Troll and I personally don't believe a thing you say. Thats my opinion and you just told us that opinions are facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Bob Lawless
     
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