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Presidential Candidates Views on Gun Control+

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Joe P., Jan 25, 2008.

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  1. Joe P.

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    Here is a web site from the Des Moines Register where the clients themselves respond to questions regarding their position on a number of issues. The URL listed shows their views on gun control and civil liberty but by going to the web site you can select other issues that may be particularly of interest to you.

    There are other candidates views also available on the site if you are interested in them.

    As near as I can tell, the newspaper seems to be fair in offering all the candidates access to express their views on the matters raised. This is unlike much of the major media that seems to want to restrict information on candidates that the major media seems to have "blackballed". Here is one way to help yourself get better informed.

    Trying to post the URL in the Website cuts off a part of the address so please copy the url below and paste it into your browser address window.

    http://data.desmoinesregister.com/election08_issues/issues.php?candidates=Paul~Romney~Giuliani~McCain~Huckabee~&cats=109~
     
  2. deking00

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  3. Joe P.

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    deking00,

    THANK YOU for putting up the shortcut.

    If you could let me know how to do that I would much appreciate it.
     
  4. Steve-CT

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    Here is the reality of it:

    Ron Paul is the only candidate who actually introduced legislation to repeal the 1994 Clinton Ban.

    Mike Huckabee's website on the subject of Second Amendment rights is the only one that has the gonads to state what the Second Amendment really means: The right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed and that it is an Individual Right for people to be able to defend themselves not only from common "street" criminals, but also as the ultimate "check and balance" to insure against a TYRRANICAL GOVERNMENT.

    (any government that seeks to restrict or rescind your rights to keep and bear arms - is doing so because they are planning to take MORE freedoms, rights and property from YOU in the future! including your right to freedom of speech and religion and as history has proven time and again... your right to LIVE!)

    John McCain talks a good game but in the end, is not on our side. Remember it was partially because of McCain that legislation was crafted and passed about ten years ago preventing the NRA from running ads endorsing a Presidential candidate 60 days prior to a Presidential election. (Too bad such law is not applied against democrat supporting labor unions and teachers' associations!)

    Romney and Guiliani are personally antigun. Romney signed the Massachusetts AW ban into law and has outwardly stated he will seek additional bans if elected president.

    The Democrats?

    I shouldn't have to bother explaining. Mrs. Clinton is on board with the Bradys and any and all gun bans. She was one of the earliest co-sponsors of the senate version of Rep. Carolyn McCarthy's "HR 1022" that will ban everything from a 10/22 on up, including shotguns.

    Barack Obama? Voted to ban and CONFISCATE semi auto firearms and ANY fiream
    with a muzzle diameter of .50" and over to include SHOTGUNS.


    Remember, even if the strongest, pro gun Republican candidates do not win the nomination, remember they know gun control is a losing subject and if elected president, they will be appointing Judges, Agency Directors, Attorneys General and Cabinet officials. Remember that whichever party wins 2008 will also likely control the US Senate which has the sole power to RATIFY treaties, such as the UN Global Gun Ban treaty that Schumer, Feinstein, Clinton, et. al., want soooo badly!

    As bad as some of the Republicans are, remember, they are still better choices than either of the two Democratic contenders.

    Remember, it's much more than the presidency at stake. It's also the Senate and what kinds of people will be directing government agencies and cabinet offices with policy directives.

    Think about that long and hard before fluffing off a RINO and casting a losing third party "protest" vote that will help ensure a Democratic victory.
     
  5. stokinpls

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    Go to the site you want to link.

    Right click on the address in the your browser address box.

    Now left click "copy" from the box.

    Right click inside the "Website URL".

    Left click on "paste" from the box. - address should show up.

    Left click on "Submit Message".


    You can probably do it with fewer clicks that this. Try it a couple times (don't forget your text)and you'll be faster than your internet service. Good luck.
     
  6. halfmile

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    For the most part, an armed populace is a nightmare to proponents of the New World Order.

    Event though citizens with squirrel rifles have no chance against an Apache helicopter or an Abrams M1, the thought of people with weapons is unnerving to them.

    John Kerry "crawls on his belly with his trusty double barreled shotgun" hunting deer.

    Those bastards will say anything they think sounds good, no matter how far removed form fact.

    Look at the record. Leopards don't lose their spots.

    HM
     
  7. Steve-CT

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    in 2004, I thought it was both hilarious and lame (probably hilarious because it was lame) when John Kerry showed up at some shotgun club in Wisconsin, I believe.

    They did a photo op of him posing with a hinge gun, with no shooting glasses, no ear plugs, perfectly pressed shirt with no wrinkle marks from having mounted a shotgun during a day of shooting, and around his waist was a perfectly cinched, black web shooting bag belt complete with shell bag, that you could tell held no box of shells because there was no weight pulling down at the web belt. No "belt sag" like you see when you dump in 25 shells weighing
    almost two pounds. Standing perfectly straight, elbow back for the photo and head too straight on the stock so as not to obscure the side profile of his face for the camera.

    Yeah - he's a real shooter!
     
  8. Joe P.

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    stokinpls,

    If you noticed, in the original posting I mentioned that trying to put the URL in the "Website URL" window resulted in the last several characters being truncated off. When doing it that way, which was my first effort, the result took you to the full page of every candidates answer to every issue on every subject. I would estimate there would have been a thousand things to look at before finding the portion on gun control. That is why I ended up posting the longer but more direct link in the body of the message.

    I have used the "Website URL" window on other postings where the address did not exceed the number of characters that the window is limited at. What I have not figured out is how to put the link in link was done by deking00. That is what I would like to learn how to do on this site.

    From the original post:

    >Trying to post the URL in the Website cuts off a part of the address so please copy the url below and paste it into your browser address window.
     
  9. deking00

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    I'll send you an e-mail with what I typed in to make the link. David
     
  10. 1atatime

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    Stevel-ct is spot on. Even though we may not be particularly excited about the ultimate Republican candidate, whoever it is will be "less offensive" to gun owners than either of the two likely Dems.

    Looking at the reality, Fred is gone, I doubt Huckabee or Paul will have the necessary "horsepower" to get elected. This leaves Mitt, Rudy and John, all of whom leave much to be desired among gun owners. I personally have great misgivings about McCain, but if given the option of him v. Clinton or Obama, what real choice do I have? Since I won't vote for either Dem in any event, probably the next worst option would to be to throw away my vote on some unelectable 3rd party guy. That happened in 1994 with people disliking George Bush 1 so much, they voted for Perot. Look what we got out of that deal!

    On the other hand, the general position of the party is pro gun rights, and that may make all the diference. Hopefully the Congress will still have a substantial pro gun input in the passage of new gun laws and selection of judges. However, if a Dem is Prez, we should fear an attack on gun rights more severe than anything seen during the Clinton years.

    OOF DA!
     
  11. ivanhoe

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    pyrdek-eup I copied the link that you have written in your first post and entered it in the web URL box it seem to work for ok.

    Bob Lawless
     
  12. Rico46

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    New World Order..lol. God, I love it!

    Rick
     
  13. grammie

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    Rico:

    Perhaps you should see who was just appointed to head a committee on small arms and world-wide "dis-armament"!!!! None other than the former head of the World Bank----Paul Wolfewitz!!!!(wrong spelling)

    You should look back on some of the opionions of this man as he "chaired" many other meetings as well!!!!

    This is a man who would gladly let Arabs fly airplanes into the World Trade Center-------and indeed,,in one of those meetings he chaired,,,,,,,He proposed just such and idea in order to galvanize american ire into revenge!!!!!!!

    AKA Grammie............
     
  14. Joe P.

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    ivanhoe,

    If you will notice, the link you put into the "Website URL" does NOT have the complete address and leads you to a whole bunch more questions and answers than the more specific link put up by me and the follow up Shortcut posted by deking00. Both of those go much more directly to the gun control issues.

    Guess those missing characters do do something, don't they?
     
  15. Gary Waalkes

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    Listen to stevel-ct - more is at stake than just one person being president, there is the appointment power and judges are for life. The buracracy can go back the way it was with clinton and appointing Ruth Bader Ginsberg to the supreme court, janet reno to atty/gen, HUD banning guns from developments, tearing out roads & bridges to prevent sportsmen from accessing hunting areas, more lawsuits against ammo and gun makers etc.
     
  16. Brian in Oregon

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    2008 is probably the last year I will be a registered Republican.

    In the 1980's, the GOP was where JFK's Democrats were. As time progresses and the Democrats shift further and further into socialism, the GOP has been sucked into the political vacuum until they're now as liberal as Jimmy Carter's Democrats.

    Sadly, it looks like the GOP is going to give the nod to one of two anti-gun liberals. Yeah, that's just peachy keen. Come November my choice is going to be a liberal anti-gunner or a liberal anti-gunner.

    I've been a registered Republican for 30 years. And I'm damn sick and tired of my vote being taken for granted by the RNC. It's amazing how all too many Republican politicians believe it's OK to take my gun rights away, marching lockstep with the Democrats, yet they assume that I'll vote for them because I have no other choice.

    Well, I do have another choice. My choice is to vote for a pro-gunner. And if that means voting third-party, and even jumping ship for third party, then so be it.

    Right now, John McCain is calling Mitt Romney a liberal. That's not the pot calling the kettle black. It's the pot calling the pot black.

    And please, spare me about how voting for the GOP is the lesser of two evils. Republicans should have taken my political concerns more seriously before asking me to ignore my beliefs and hold my nose to vote for them.

    "I didn't leave the Republican Party. The Republican Party left me."
     
  17. ganger

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    Amen to that Brian. Ganger
     
  18. Dzurf

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    Cho Seung-Hui, the presumed mentally ill gunman who shot 32 people at Virginia Tech inspired Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama (D-Ill.) to urge that laws should be strengthened to prevent the mentally ill from buying guns. Federal laws already prohibit those confirmed to be mentally ill from purchasing guns. Obama says these laws don’t go far enough.

    “Existing laws miss the point,” Obama said. “A desire to own a gun should, by itself, be considered prima facie evidence of mental illness. I mean, who would want a gun? In this modern age, gun ownership is an anachronism. The average home-owner isn’t hunting to put food on his family’s table. He doesn’t need to fight off savages who would rape his wife and murder or abduct his children. Why does he need a gun? It’s nuts.”

    Under Obama’s proposal, a new federal Gun Registry Administration Bureau (GRAB) would be established. GRAB would be authorized to review all state laws pertaining to gun ownership and void those deemed unsuitably “loose.” “Under our Constitution, regulation of firearms is a federal responsibility,” Obama claimed. “States must not be permitted to usurp this authority through lax enforcement.”

    Obama insisted that “those truly in need of owning a weapon will still have access. All they have to do is demonstrate to the satisfaction of federal agents that they have a legitimate need for it.” Obama did admit, though, that demonstrating such a need would be difficult since the mere expression of a need for a firearm would normally be considered disqualifying.

    In related news, California Assemblyman Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles) introduced a bill (AB 362) that would put restrictions on ammunition. De Leon applauded himself for “finding a loophole in the Second Amendment.” “The Bill of Rights says people have the right to bear arms,” de Leon pointed out. “It doesn’t say anything about bullets.”
     
  19. Brian in Oregon

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    Do you have a source for Obama's statement? I haven't seen this in print before. There are a number of made up statements of his going around as emails right now. It's getting difficult to separate fact from fiction when it comes to his statements.
     
  20. Dzurf

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    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1826565/posts
     
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