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  1. Jerbear

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    No Surprises Here: Former


    President Clinton Advocates New Gun And Magazine Ban

    Friday, February 06, 2009


    With President Barack Obama stating that his "urban agenda" includes reimposing the former federal ban on "assault weapons" and "large" magazines, it's out-of-date to refer to that law as it was known at the time--the Clinton Gun Ban.

    On second thought, maybe not just yet.

    In January, speaking at a meeting of the anti-gun U.S. Conference of Mayors, former president Bill Clinton took credit for the old ban, praised the Brady Campaign for continuing to lobby Congress for a new ban, and suggested that the mood in Washington might be more favorable toward a ban now than it had been during the last eight years.

    Here's what Mr. Clinton had to say:

    "[W]e will not go forward anymore, I don't think, with the kind of politics of division and destruction that drug us down for too long. That's essentially what is different, and what creates this great moment of opportunity . . . . to have conversations with people, instead of screaming matches, over things like what former Mayor [now Brady Campaign president Paul] Helmke works on so much—over what is the best way to keep the American people safe. Nobody wants to repeal the Second Amendment, and nobody wants to keep you out of the deer woods, but wouldn't it be nice if your children didn't have to worry about being mowed down by an assault weapon when they turn the corner?"

    After the mayors' reflexive applause receded, Clinton continued, this time speaking more broadly than in reference to gun control alone. "[W]e're now in a position to begin again," he said. "It's not a leftward movement. It's a forward, communitarian movement." Communitarianism is a movement that considers individualism an impediment to society uniformly adopting values the movement considers appropriate, including authoritarian gun control. For example, the Communitarian Network platform states "there is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament of the kind that exists in practically all democracies."

    Mr. Clinton did not treat the mayors to a longwinded explanation of the communitarian ideal, nor did he explain that the Brady Campaign no longer advocates merely the reimposition of the Clinton-era ban. Instead, like the Violence Policy Center and Legal Community Against Violence, Brady advocates a much broader federal ban, such as California's or the one proposed by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), which would ban guns made to comply with the 1994 ban (by omitting one or more attachments, such as a flash suppressor), all semi-automatic shotguns, the Ruger Mini-14, the .30 Carbine, the M1 Garand, and other categories of guns and gun parts not affected by the 1994 ban.

    Mr. Clinton also praised President Obama's selection of Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State, a position in which Mrs. Clinton could lend support to international efforts to impose gun prohibitions domestically.

    It's going to be an interesting four years, to say the least.





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    Here we go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jerbear
     
  2. Jerbear

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    Brady Campaign Flunks Math Again!

    Friday, February 06, 2009

    On January 12, the FBI released preliminary crime date for calendar year 2008, indicating that the nation's murder rate has fallen to a 43-year low, and the nation's total violent crime rate has fallen to a 35-year low. The data suggest that since violent crime peaked in 1991, the nation's murder rate has fallen 46 percent, and the nation's total violent crime rate has fallen 41 percent. The FBI will publish final data for 2008 later this year.

    In the same time frame, federal, state and local gun control laws have been eliminated or made less restrictive, Americans have been buying over 4 million new guns every year, and the number of guns (including semi-automatic and other firearms that use standard magazines that hold more than 10 rounds) is at an all-time high. Less gun control has coincided with less crime. Pretty simple stuff.

    For most people, that is.

    On February 4, the anti-gun Brady Campaign looked at the historically low crime rates and concluded otherwise. "Most states have weak or non-existent gun laws that help feed the illegal gun market, allow the sale of guns without Brady background checks and put families and children at risk," the group claimed.

    Brady made the claim in conjunction with the release of its annual "state scorecard" gimmick, in which the anti-gun group "scores" each state from zero to 100, giving more points for more gun control laws, without regard to whether the laws have any positive effect. Brady used to give out school-like letter grades, but abandoned that concept when people noticed that the group was giving most states Ds and Fs when violent crime was low and declining.

    Scores of 0-59 points are still worth an "F," and scores of 60-69 points are still worth a "D," however. And with that in mind, Brady gave 48 states an "F," one state a "D," and California got a "C." The average score for the 50 states was 17.7. As Brady put it, "Once again, the scores for most states are abysmal. No states got a better score for 2008 than for 2007. Five states saw their scores drop."

    Since Brady gives the states worse scores every time crime rates go down, all we can add is "Amen."






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    Go figure, more guns = less crime.... Jerbear
     
  3. Jerbear

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    Three Gun Bills Proposed in the Illinois General Assembly


    Friday, February 06, 2009

    With the removal from office of anti-gun Governor Rod Blagojevich (D) now complete, the Illinois General Assembly has begun focusing on other issues, including our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. We can anticipate many bills that will attack the Second Amendment, as well as some that will try to advance the rights of law-abiding gun owners.

    Anti-gun State Representative Harry Osterman (D-14) has introduced House Bill 48, a bill that would eliminate most private transfers of handguns. This legislation would require virtually all handgun transfers to be processed through a licensed firearm dealer. In other words, even though the law already requires all private transfers to be carefully recorded—with information such as the date of transfer and serial number of the handgun maintained for 10 years—and both the seller and purchaser must have valid FOID Cards, HB 48 would still require the additional step of processing the transfer through a licensed dealer. Even if you plan on selling a handgun to a neighbor you’ve known for 20 years, or to a cousin you’ve know your whole life, you would still be required to go to a licensed firearm dealer to complete the transfer. And if the closest dealer is 20 miles away, or more, then that’s just too bad.

    Another anti-gun State Representative, Edward Acevedo (D-2), has reintroduced his ban on countless semi-automatic firearms, .50 cal. rifles and ammunition, and standard-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of holding more than 10 rounds. House Bill 165 is just this year’s version of the bans he has supported in the past.

    Neither HB 48 nor HB 165 have been assigned to committee, so please contact your State Representative and urge them to oppose these bills. Contact information can be found here.

    On the positive side, pro-gun State Representative Brandon Phelps (D-118) has introduced House Bill 462, a Right-to-Carry bill. This legislation would establish a Right-to-Carry permit system in Illinois, with county sheriffs as the issuing authority. In fact, this legislation is supported by the Illinois Sheriffs’ Association. Applicants undergo a background check to ensure they do not have a criminal or mental health record that would prohibit them from qualifying for the permit, and must meet certain training requirements. And while the sheriff will have a slight amount of discretion when approving or denying the permit, any denial that is not based on specified criteria spelled out in the issuing standards can be appealed.

    If passed, HB 462 would represent a tremendous advancement for the right of self defense in Illinois.

    Please contact your State Representative and urge him or her to co-sponsor and support this critical reform. Contact information can be found by clicking here.






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  4. Bocephas

    Bocephas Well-Known Member

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    Jerber,I think these people since,all hell is going to break loose in the next 12 to 18 months.So you and I will see a big push to ban weapons.

    I read the other day the Generals are starting to side against Obama on pulling troops.

    Remember, it takes the Military to attempt a coup or coup d'etat.

    Bocephas
     
  5. ou.3200

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    This will be a constant battle with the Democrats. They think they have a mandate to do anything they want. Join the NRA or upgrade your membership and when these restrictive bills come up let your legislators know that the bills are not acceptable. It is more important than ever now to show a united front against them.
     
  6. Jerbear

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    No Surprises Here: Former


    President Clinton Advocates New Gun And Magazine Ban

    Friday, February 06, 2009


    With President Barack Obama stating that his "urban agenda" includes reimposing the former federal ban on "assault weapons" and "large" magazines, it's out-of-date to refer to that law as it was known at the time--the Clinton Gun Ban.

    On second thought, maybe not just yet.

    In January, speaking at a meeting of the anti-gun U.S. Conference of Mayors, former president Bill Clinton took credit for the old ban, praised the Brady Campaign for continuing to lobby Congress for a new ban, and suggested that the mood in Washington might be more favorable toward a ban now than it had been during the last eight years.

    Here's what Mr. Clinton had to say:

    "[W]e will not go forward anymore, I don't think, with the kind of politics of division and destruction that drug us down for too long. That's essentially what is different, and what creates this great moment of opportunity . . . . to have conversations with people, instead of screaming matches, over things like what former Mayor [now Brady Campaign president Paul] Helmke works on so much—over what is the best way to keep the American people safe. Nobody wants to repeal the Second Amendment, and nobody wants to keep you out of the deer woods, but wouldn't it be nice if your children didn't have to worry about being mowed down by an assault weapon when they turn the corner?"

    After the mayors' reflexive applause receded, Clinton continued, this time speaking more broadly than in reference to gun control alone. "[W]e're now in a position to begin again," he said. "It's not a leftward movement. It's a forward, communitarian movement." Communitarianism is a movement that considers individualism an impediment to society uniformly adopting values the movement considers appropriate, including authoritarian gun control. For example, the Communitarian Network platform states "there is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament of the kind that exists in practically all democracies."

    Mr. Clinton did not treat the mayors to a longwinded explanation of the communitarian ideal, nor did he explain that the Brady Campaign no longer advocates merely the reimposition of the Clinton-era ban. Instead, like the Violence Policy Center and Legal Community Against Violence, Brady advocates a much broader federal ban, such as California's or the one proposed by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), which would ban guns made to comply with the 1994 ban (by omitting one or more attachments, such as a flash suppressor), all semi-automatic shotguns, the Ruger Mini-14, the .30 Carbine, the M1 Garand, and other categories of guns and gun parts not affected by the 1994 ban.

    Mr. Clinton also praised President Obama's selection of Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State, a position in which Mrs. Clinton could lend support to international efforts to impose gun prohibitions domestically.

    It's going to be an interesting four years, to say the least.





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    Here we go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jerbear
     
  7. Jerbear

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    Brady Campaign Flunks Math Again!

    Friday, February 06, 2009

    On January 12, the FBI released preliminary crime date for calendar year 2008, indicating that the nation's murder rate has fallen to a 43-year low, and the nation's total violent crime rate has fallen to a 35-year low. The data suggest that since violent crime peaked in 1991, the nation's murder rate has fallen 46 percent, and the nation's total violent crime rate has fallen 41 percent. The FBI will publish final data for 2008 later this year.

    In the same time frame, federal, state and local gun control laws have been eliminated or made less restrictive, Americans have been buying over 4 million new guns every year, and the number of guns (including semi-automatic and other firearms that use standard magazines that hold more than 10 rounds) is at an all-time high. Less gun control has coincided with less crime. Pretty simple stuff.

    For most people, that is.

    On February 4, the anti-gun Brady Campaign looked at the historically low crime rates and concluded otherwise. "Most states have weak or non-existent gun laws that help feed the illegal gun market, allow the sale of guns without Brady background checks and put families and children at risk," the group claimed.

    Brady made the claim in conjunction with the release of its annual "state scorecard" gimmick, in which the anti-gun group "scores" each state from zero to 100, giving more points for more gun control laws, without regard to whether the laws have any positive effect. Brady used to give out school-like letter grades, but abandoned that concept when people noticed that the group was giving most states Ds and Fs when violent crime was low and declining.

    Scores of 0-59 points are still worth an "F," and scores of 60-69 points are still worth a "D," however. And with that in mind, Brady gave 48 states an "F," one state a "D," and California got a "C." The average score for the 50 states was 17.7. As Brady put it, "Once again, the scores for most states are abysmal. No states got a better score for 2008 than for 2007. Five states saw their scores drop."

    Since Brady gives the states worse scores every time crime rates go down, all we can add is "Amen."






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    Go figure, more guns = less crime.... Jerbear
     
  8. Jerbear

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    Three Gun Bills Proposed in the Illinois General Assembly


    Friday, February 06, 2009

    With the removal from office of anti-gun Governor Rod Blagojevich (D) now complete, the Illinois General Assembly has begun focusing on other issues, including our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. We can anticipate many bills that will attack the Second Amendment, as well as some that will try to advance the rights of law-abiding gun owners.

    Anti-gun State Representative Harry Osterman (D-14) has introduced House Bill 48, a bill that would eliminate most private transfers of handguns. This legislation would require virtually all handgun transfers to be processed through a licensed firearm dealer. In other words, even though the law already requires all private transfers to be carefully recorded—with information such as the date of transfer and serial number of the handgun maintained for 10 years—and both the seller and purchaser must have valid FOID Cards, HB 48 would still require the additional step of processing the transfer through a licensed dealer. Even if you plan on selling a handgun to a neighbor you’ve known for 20 years, or to a cousin you’ve know your whole life, you would still be required to go to a licensed firearm dealer to complete the transfer. And if the closest dealer is 20 miles away, or more, then that’s just too bad.

    Another anti-gun State Representative, Edward Acevedo (D-2), has reintroduced his ban on countless semi-automatic firearms, .50 cal. rifles and ammunition, and standard-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of holding more than 10 rounds. House Bill 165 is just this year’s version of the bans he has supported in the past.

    Neither HB 48 nor HB 165 have been assigned to committee, so please contact your State Representative and urge them to oppose these bills. Contact information can be found here.

    On the positive side, pro-gun State Representative Brandon Phelps (D-118) has introduced House Bill 462, a Right-to-Carry bill. This legislation would establish a Right-to-Carry permit system in Illinois, with county sheriffs as the issuing authority. In fact, this legislation is supported by the Illinois Sheriffs’ Association. Applicants undergo a background check to ensure they do not have a criminal or mental health record that would prohibit them from qualifying for the permit, and must meet certain training requirements. And while the sheriff will have a slight amount of discretion when approving or denying the permit, any denial that is not based on specified criteria spelled out in the issuing standards can be appealed.

    If passed, HB 462 would represent a tremendous advancement for the right of self defense in Illinois.

    Please contact your State Representative and urge him or her to co-sponsor and support this critical reform. Contact information can be found by clicking here.






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  9. Bocephas

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    Jerber,I think these people since,all hell is going to break loose in the next 12 to 18 months.So you and I will see a big push to ban weapons.

    I read the other day the Generals are starting to side against Obama on pulling troops.

    Remember, it takes the Military to attempt a coup or coup d'etat.

    Bocephas
     
  10. ou.3200

    ou.3200 Well-Known Member

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    This will be a constant battle with the Democrats. They think they have a mandate to do anything they want. Join the NRA or upgrade your membership and when these restrictive bills come up let your legislators know that the bills are not acceptable. It is more important than ever now to show a united front against them.
     
  11. Brian in Oregon

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    Did Bill Clinton also take credit for his gun ban being a direct cause of the Republican take over of congress? Sick Willy even acknowledged it at the time.
     
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