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possible death to ATA trap shooting in Massachuset

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by maclellan1911, Jul 10, 2009.

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  1. maclellan1911

    maclellan1911 TS Member

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    This is one of many things the criminalist are trying to do here in massachusetts. Will the ATA help with the battle? If this goes into affect it looks like you will need several Mass aproved firearms instructors, police detail.....can emagine what that will be like how much will that cost? Also Im sure they will want EMT and fire service on sight in numbers. Also the control on the who can do what will again be put into the go nogo of the local appointed authority.

    http://www.examiner.com/x-7133-Boston-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m7d7-Back-door-gun-control

    We are out number in mass big time. More have just fled, than even trying to stand. We lost a huge amount of gun owners back in 94 and 98 with all the other bogus laws. Yet will still have criminal getting better food,healthcare and education than our citizen chrildren,
     
  2. alf174

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    ATA doesn't have the means to help, this is more a local NRA concern. If this goes through, shotgun sports is done in MA; bummer.
     
  3. maclellan1911

    maclellan1911 TS Member

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    If this goes through, competitive shooting is done.
     
  4. Trap2

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    Herein lies the loophole:

    "Firearms Exhibition means any event held at a sporting or shooting club or facility open to the general public or to non-members where firearms, rifles, shotguns or ammunition, all as defined in M.G.L. c.140 § 121, are provided to attendees for the regulated shooting on the premises of the said sporting or shooting club or facility."

    Any club throwing registered targets in MA will instantly become a "private, members only" club, closed for the registered shoot weekend to the general public. Membership into this exclusive "Private, members only" club can be purchased for $1.00 for the weekend. Now, EVERYONE that shoots the tournament is a member, in good standing, of a private, members only club being held for the weekend. End of story. As this facility is now not available to the general public for this exhibition, the above law does not apply... Dan Thome (Trap2)
     
  5. maclellan1911

    maclellan1911 TS Member

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    there are many problems with this. GOAL can not fight this alone.
     
  6. Porcupine

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    Personally, I don't think this legislation will make it through the committees. Our governor will facing a difficult re-election campaign and won't have the political capital to push it through.

    LA in MA
     
  7. maclellan1911

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    To many people wont know who else to vote for, please we are out numbered. The only way for our current dictator to get outed is for some reason the old Dems dont come out and vote.
     
  8. maclellan1911

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    this is not a bill, this can be written into law with out house aproaval. Just takes the secratary of public safty to ask the govenor.

    tough re-election???? here in the criminalcommi-chusetts. I bet the saps vote him in again. Best thing that can happen is Obama gives him a job.
     
  9. Brian in Oregon

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    The rest of us, as we were cut out of the herd one by one and saw bans and regulations and inane laws foisted on us told shotgunners that their day would come. Yet many (and fortunately fewer and fewer each year) said nonsense, they'll not go after trap or skeet. Well that day has come.<br>
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    I just hope some of the other gun enthusiasts aren't so ticked off by the lack of help for their cause that they'll turn their backs on the shotgunners. (We warned of divide and conquer tactics - I hope shotgunners aren't going to see first hand how THAT works.)
     
  10. Setterman

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    JOIN THE NRA!!!!
     
  11. ivanhoe

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    Mac I may be mistaken until tomorrow when I can contact Goal. This is what I have right now.

    "501 CMR 15.00 FIREARMS EXHIBITIONS

    Section15.01 Purpose and Scope

    The purpose of 501 CMR 15.00 is to establish rules and regulations governing firearms exhibitions open to the general public. 501 CMR 15.00 is promulgated pursuant to M.G.L. c 140 § 122B and M.G.L. c 140 § 131(r)."

    Chapter 140 is the gun law of this state and I do not believe can be changed without a vote of the legislature.

    The other part of that about Machine Guns.

    "The Patrick Administration through the Executive Office of Public Safety and Security has proposed yet another change in regulations regarding firearm issues. This particular change would alter 501 CMR 6.00 MACHINE GUN LICENSE BONA FIDE COLLECTORS OF FIREARMS. This regulation determines who is eligible to receive a machine gun license under Chapter 140, Section 131(o)(ii) and 131 (p)."

    Again this is already law and I again say I do not believe that this can be changed without a vote.

    Bob Lawless
     
  12. FN in MT

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    IF the ACLU wasn's such a Liberal outfit THIS is exactly the type of thing they should fight. I'd think the Mass shooters are going to have to have the NRA involved in this one.

    FN in MT
     
  13. brigade

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    So let it be said; Massachusetts liberal, anti-Americans have lived by the twisted view of the Kennedy's, so they will perish by the same.......I'll bet you still vote for a democrat.
     
  14. grnberetcj

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    You're gonna have to move in order to enjoy recreational shooting.

    There are many states that aren't worth moving to (taxes, cost of living etc).

    Curt
     
  15. highflyer

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    These attempts at gun control keep coming one after the other yet we still, right here on this site, get shooters with their heads in the sand thinking the threat isn't real. Like the fools that can't see that Obama is a socialist despite everything he does.
     
  16. Steve-CT

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    This is a real and very serious concern. I received an email from NSSF - they are concerned about it and will be in MA to testify against it.

    Please note, this is NOT a regular bill that is voted on by the legislature, it's a REGULATION - sort of like an "executive order" that the MA State Police will issue and the Governor will sign.

    Connecticut, just recently dodged an attempt at shutting down virtually ALL private and public gun clubs earlier this year.

    Richard Blumenthal, the Attorney General for CT did submit "concept" legislation to the Legislative Commissioner's Office (LCO) that was intended to be raised in the Public Safety and Security Committee. Fortunately, due to intense backlash and well coordinated efforts among 50 to 60 of CT's gun clubs, hunting and shooting organizations, the bill never came to fruition.

    CT's proposal was just as draconian: It would have required a license for the club to operate, at a fee "to be determined" ; could not exceed 60-dbs at the property boundary line of the club (many CT trap and skeet clubs easily exceed 60 dbs at the boundary lines of their property) and a catch all " safety shut down" clause that would have allowed State Police to shut down ANY gun club, public or private for ANY reason they deemed "unsafe".

    We're in a fight for our rights here
     
  17. perga1

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    And Sotomayor will be on the bench the next time a Second Ammendment fight reaches the SCOTUS. JRM
     
  18. Lead Man

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    What Brian In Oregon said. It amazes me the thought process of so called gun supporters.

    That being said, it is a sad day. The private club thing might work, need an attorney to look into it.
     
  19. ivanhoe

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    To the Massachusetts shooter that open this thread if this prospect frightens you as it so he is something you can do.

    Received this morning from Goal (Gun Owners Action League) which in Mass is the same as the NRA A request that you contact you state legislators and urge them to sign the petition provided

    To sign on to the bipartisan letter, please contact Representative Peterson's office prior to Monday, July 20, 2009 at 5:00pm.


    Language of the bipartisan legislative letter in opposition to the proposed regulations 501 CMR 15.00 Firearm Exhibitions

    We the undersigned legislators wish to express our opposition to the proposed regulations regarding "Firearm Exhibitions."

    The proposed regulations would place a burdensome process on the very organizations that provide for firearm safety education. These establishments and the training events that are run at these facilities have an exceptional safety record that most likely far exceeds any other activity within the Commonwealth.

    For many decades, the local fish and game clubs and other membership based shooting facilities have successfully fulfilled the vital public safety need in providing safe firearms training and education. The Commonwealth should be doing what it can to encourage the general public to seek firearms safety and education. These regulations will only discourage clubs from providing, and people from seeking, these important educational opportunities.

    We would urge the Executive Office of Public Safety and Security to not impose further burdens on our constituents and clubs that are providing this important service to their communities. We would however encourage the Executive Office of Public Safety and Security to work with these organizations to allow and encourage more citizens to be able to take advantage of the essential educational programs provided by the clubs in our communities.

    If you need to find contact information for your legislators try either one of the following websites.

    http://www.wheredoivotema.com/bal/myelectioninfo.php

    http://www.mass.gov/legis/city_town.htm

    This all I have right now if I receive any more notices from Goal I will them available ASAP as time is limited. If anyone needs to contact me send me a PM and I will provide a email address and I will forward a copy of the email from Goal to you

    Bob Lawless
     
  20. E.D. Va

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