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Poll: 22-250 or 243 for coyotes?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Brian in Oregon, Oct 17, 2009.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    OK guys, I'm sitting on the fence for a new toy. Let's get some opinions.

    I'm looking at a dedicated coyote rifle, and have settled on a Savage Predator Hunter in either 22-250 or 243. This gun has a 22" barrel.

    The 22-250 is the standard by which all other coyote rifles are judged. I have a Browning 1885 Single Shot in 22-250 that I've used for coyotes, rockchucks, gray diggers and sage rats, so I'm well aware of its capabilities, at least from a 28" barrel (I'm picking up about another 150 fps with this barrel length).

    I already have a Remington R15 (AR15) in 223, and have several other rifles in 223. I'm of the opinion that the 223 overlaps the 22-250 until you get to 300 yards, so there is no real advantage to the 22-250 except at longer ranges.

    I have never owned a 243, though I have used a Browning 1885 Single Shot in 25-06 for deer and coyotes. Drawback of the 243 is greater blast and recoil, though it's still fairly mild for a deer class cartridge. I think it's a bit light for some western deer, especially mulies and blacktail/mulie mix. It's also on the light side for black bear, and I feel underpowered for elk. So while I could use it as a dual purpose rifle, I'd probably use it mainly for coyotes. (I have several other big game rifles.) The 243 does have a power advantage should we wind up calling in a cougar, though I draw cougar tags just in case one shows up. I don't specifically hunt cougar. The 243 and 22-250 with most coyote suitable bullets compare quite favorably. Trajectory is similar, and wind drift is similar, with the 243 having a slight edge. About the only time this would be of use is for extreme range shots, or trying to make a straight on head/chest shot at range. You'd have to take about the same lead for wind drift into account for both, but the 243 has slightly more margin for error. Slightly. The 243 is also quite impressive with the 55 gr Ballistic Tips, which are a good 200 fps over the 22-250 55 grain Ballistic Tips. But I found with the 22-250 when I found a load that works I stuck to it and never changed. With the 243, I'm thinking no one load will do everything, unless you compromise, and then it starts giving ground to the 22-250.

    BTW, fur damage. I don't care about fur damage. Except for a brief period (Jan and Feb) for east side dogs, fur damage is not really a consideration because the furs are just not prime. If fur damage is a consideration, I'll grab the 223.

    The poll has only two entries - 22-250 and 243. I'm not interested in any other calibers but these two.

    As far as the rifle, it is the only bolt action that suits me. I'm not a bolt action fan. This one has the features I want (oversize knob, fully camo'd, medium weight carbine length barrel, synthetic stock) and has a reputation for reliability and accuracy. My son has one in 223, and it is literally a tack driver.
     
  2. BrowningPotato

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    Whats wrong with the 223, that is a great round for yotes. If you MUST have a new toy, I would vote for 243, particularly if you already have a 223.
     
  3. Hivoltfl

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    I like the 22-250, more speed and better bullet expansion, you say you allready have a 22-250 and have used it on yotes I would think you know its capabilites.

    Rick
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    BrowningPotato - I have 223's..... several of them.
     
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    I don't know how the 223 ever overlaps the 22-250. I vote 22-250
     
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    ljutic73 Well-Known Member

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    I've got both...like 'em both....especially the .243 wildcat I built using necked down .264 Win Mag brass....75 gr. bullets at 4000 fps...
     
  7. 5spd

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    With your R15 you dont need another coyote gun.

    BUT since you have that need get the .243.
    I had a Sako .243 in the 70s and took everything in CA with it from coyotes to even a bear.
     
  8. 90Tshooter

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    Brian- I have a 243 heavy barrel 700 Remington. It has served as my big gun for prairie dogs for 8 years now. I have confirmed kills out to 539 yards. I have used it for coyotes on occassion and did take one around 125 yards using a 65 grain v-max. The coyote didn't know what hit him. Even though pelt damage isn't an issue the bullet didn't exit the other side, saving the pelt if one wanted to. I plan on cutting the barrel down to 22 inches from 26 to make it a little better for carrying for coyotes. I have used the 55 grain ballistic tips for the last 3 years and they are great. 4000 fps with 51.0 grains of H380 and under an inch at 100 yards, can't complain. I will loose 100 fps or so by cutting it down but I don't mind.

    My shooting buddy has a 700 Remington in 22-250 blown out to Ackly Improved. Great caliber and very accurate. Muzzle blast is basically the same between these two calibers. Thus the reason I'm having the barrel cut down for a coyote rifle. You shoot either of these guns in a prairie dog town and the dogs go down. With the 223's you can shoot all day and not spook em' too bad. I will still take the 243 for prairie dogs but only for a back up.

    Bottom line, I like my 243. But for coyotes either one will do the job. You won't be unhappy with which ever one you go with.

    Joe

    P.S. I shot a coyote at 150 yards with my 223 and the coyote probably couldn't tell the difference.
     
  9. Old Cowboy

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    Dedicated coyote rifle, 22-250 vs 243? That's a tuff choice, they're both good ones. With typical vermin bullets at practical ranges (out to 400 yds) the trajectories are quite similar. Without studying the wind drift tables and off the top of my head I'd guess the 243 with 80 gr bullets would buck the wind a little better than the 22-250 with 55 gr bullets at the longer ranges. OTOH, FWIW......I carry a rifle with me in the pickup virtually ALL the time while I'm going about my ranching duties mostly for coyote medicine and it's usually a Ruger stainless synthetic mod 77....22-250

    John C. Saubak
     
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    CalvinMD Well-Known Member

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    If you are happy with the 22-250 then save your money...no difference either way on the yotes end
     
  11. short shucker

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    Mr. Brian,

    I have and allways will consider the .243 the perfect all-around cartidge. Yes, it's a little lite for elk and bear but great for everything else.

    I have hunted everything from groundhogs/prarie dogs to mullies and antelope. I've never had to track one far or lost one because the bullit and I didn't get the job done.

    I mainly hunt with a 260 REM now, but my fondess for the 243 still remains.

    Besides, just think how much fun you'll have working up new loads!

    ss
     
  12. bill2

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    Brian, you will find yourself cutting cases back to spec a lot more with the .243. They grow fast

    Less throat erosion with the .243.

    In both cases above I speak of using sensible loads.
    Bill2
     
  13. claybrdr

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    No coyotes in Virginia but I like my varmint load of the Nosler 70 gr ballistic tip, 46 gr H414, 210M primer in Norma brass neck turned and 3.310 OAL. Shoots under an inch 5 shots at 200 yards out of my Shilen barreled Brown Precision Rem 700. Loaded with 95 gr Nosler partitions, it is a great whitetail load.
     
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    They are both good rifles for yotes.I have the Savage BVSS in 22-250 and the 60 grain sierra hollow point with H380 works one holes for me!!!
     
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    243...80-85gr.for varmints...up to 115gr..... Never look back.......A 22 cal bullet is a 22 bullet no matter what case it's on top of....Velocity is way overrated.

    Now if your going to shoot 80-90 grain 22's.... then maybe....but that would be a pain with a 22-250
     
  16. Hap MecTweaks

    Hap MecTweaks Well-Known Member

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    .243, more game to hunt with that choice. One of the largest bull elk ever killed was taken by a kid with a .243! I'm certainly not saying it's an elk kind of rifle though, because it isn't. Hap
     
  17. Leo

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    I love the 22-250 caliber, but when hunting, I always use the bigger when given two choices. The .243 is very accurate and effective at some pretty long ranges. Like one of the others, I am a fan of the 6.5mm, in either .260 remington or 6.5 x 55 swedish
     
  18. superxjeff

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    22 250 if you can only have one. it's a solid 400 yard coyote rig and the bullets always do there job. I don't like the 243 if I can only have one as at close range you may have issues with expansion if you use the wrong bullets. You said you wanted to hear .22-250 or .243..... I say 22-250 and it's what i use on them.Jeff
     
  19. timberfaller

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    Whats wrong with a 257 Roberts? every coyote that I drew a bead on, got hit and went no where.

    12 years on a cattle ranch I shot a lot with the small 22's and settled on the Roberts as the best!

    If you only had the 2 choices, and you shot for pelts, the 22-250 is the ticket
     
  20. ricks1

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    If you are going with a 22in barrel you will need to go with a 243 . A 22 250 is ok to about 300 yds but with a 24 or more. Your pray would be near the ground so a 243 will be better for mirage. at the longer range.Your other thing is the barrel will not shoot out like a 22 250
     
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