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Police too busy, man murdered

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by halfmile, Feb 24, 2012.

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  1. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

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    "A man in Berkeley was beaten to death while confronting a man trespassing on his land. And according to reports, police were too busy dealing with Occupy protesters to respond.

    The San Francisco Chronicle has the story explaining how an unidentified victim savagely beaten by a trespasser — suspected to be a mentally ill 23-year-old named Daniel Jordan Dewitt — attempted to call the police regarding his assailant. The call was ignored because Berkeley police were too busy dealing with Occupy Oakland protesters:

    The victim had called police on a nonemergency line after first seeing Dewitt, according to sources familiar with the case. But police were busy monitoring an Occupy Oakland march to UC Berkeley, and officers were dispatched only to high-priority calls.

    The trespassing call was even further ignored when an officer told the dispatcher he had plans to go check out the call, but was told not to go. Minutes later, the victim was beaten to death with a potted plant.

    The alleged perpetrator, Dewitt, is a graduate of Alameda High, where he played football, as well as the grandson of a former Berkeley city councilman. His mother told authorities he had a “history of mental illness,” though of what kind, it is not known."

    The cops are busy protecting and cleaning up after the occuppy pukes to deal with real crime.

    Beyond the pale.

    HM
  2. Luvs2shoot

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    Unfortuneately, there is no constitutional right to be protected by police and there is a constitutional right to free speech (with certain limitations). Still goes to show, that when seconds count, police are only minutes away. Carry and be prepared to use a gun.

    John

    P.S. "monitoring" = standing and watching or sitting and watching. 1 cop couldn't be dispatched. What a crock!
  3. Leo

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    I know a really short tempered man near me that called about some prowlers back by his shed. He lived at the edge of town and there had been a lot of break ins. The dispatcher said they would send someone when they could but it would probably be quite a while. When he hung up the phone he got really angry and called back as said "take your time, wait until morning if they wanted, I just shot both of them" and he just hung up the phone. Within minutes two police cars were in his yard. The cops said "You said you shot them" he replied "you said you were too busy. The cops did not get the bad guys, but they found tools and equipment from his shed in the bushes near the side road. The short tempered man had to pay some sort of fine, but he bragged that it was cheaper than replacing his stuff.
  4. TinMan88

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    Your logic is the occupy protesters made the perp do it?
  5. sliverbulletexpress

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    A lot of people think the police are like their personal body guards, and besides they've never met anyone in their whole life that would hurt them, BUT they just haven't met the right person.....yet..

    The police usually show up in time to take pictures and reports if anyone is left standing. We have to get back to realizing it's up to...us...to take care of ourselves and family.
  6. GW22

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    Brutal murder in California. Very surprising.

    In other news, it rains in Seattle.

    -Gary
  7. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

    Or in this case, never.
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    The police are not required under the law to come and protect you. YOU are. Lee
  10. Recoil Sissy

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    Luvs2shoot:

    The occupy groups have a documented history of violence, crime, and violent crime. One never knows what mischief these turds intend to perpetrate when they assemble. One can be relatively sure their actions won't be legal, peaceful, or honorable.

    Under the circumstances, it is not unreasonable to have a bunch of LEOs "monitoring" them. From where I sit, Berkeley had a choice of dispatching a maximum force of LEOs to keep an eye on known criminals or to send officers on a call that wasn't clearly an emergency or even a non-emergency police matter. Of course, with the aid of 20-20 hindsight, the victim might have been saved if law enforcement had been dispatched.

    TinMan88: my logic is that the consistently irresponsible behavior of these occupy turds was most definately a contributing factor in the victim's death.

    As an aside, criminals would be wise to commit their crimes while occupy events are in progress knowing that available LEOs would be in short supply.
    The general public would be wise to be prepared to defend themselves and their property for the same reason.

    sissy
  11. TinMan88

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    Recoil sissy, I make only one point- the perp did it, period. I did not infer that the police were "responsible" or to be held responsible in any way for not being 'there' to affect a different outcome. Quite the opposite. Most here recognise the fact that the police cannot be found at fault for not "being there". Correct?

    Any person OWS or otherwise found in violation of criminal statutes should stand in the docket for that offense. How was I not clear about that? Regards, The TinMan
  12. Recoil Sissy

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    TinMan:

    You've taken umbrage where none was intended. I directed a comment to you only because the intent of your first post wasn't clear - at least not to me. MY only intent was to explain the logic behind my statements.

    We do agree that police can't be held legally responsible for failing to respond to an emergency call or for failing to protect citizens from harm. Whether we agree or not, the legal precedent on that issue has already been set.

    My bottom line? The occupy turds bear some culpability for the fact so many LEOs were tied up. The turds may be exempt from criminal or civil sanctions but the collective "we" should hold them responsible in the court of public opinion.

    sissy
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    It's a good point. When the cat's away the mice (rats in this case) will play.

    There was, in our town some years back, a couple of burglars who made a habit of burglarizing homes when a loved one had passed and the funeral was being held.

    After a few of these the police got wise and watched one house in the area at the time of the funeral and nabbed 'em.

    The judge came down on them with the max.

    HM
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    Tinman,,,,,your post, "Your logic is the occupy protesters made the perp do it?",,,,,doesn't seem to "infer" that you were blaming the perp to me either.....
  15. TinMan88

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    To those who have asked, I offer an expanation and apology if needed to my posts on this thread. I took the initial post by Halfmile to somehow tie the unfortuneate death of the home owner to be the fault of a separate group of people at a different location. Kind of also inferring the police would have prevented the death had there not been a separate situation. If I read too much into the set-up, I stand corrected. I also want to point out that this has been drawn out in a civil manner, and in the spirit of clubhouse discussion. I want to acknowledge that.

    Sissy said: My bottom line? The occupy turds bear some culpability for the fact so many LEOs were tied up. The turds may be exempt from criminal or civil sanctions but the collective "we" should hold them responsible in the court of public opinion.

    Other than being in the same time frame, I cannot see a way the two intertwine? I have to be mindful of my seeming defense of OWS because I have been accused of supporting their crimes. That is not the case. I support the laws that make it legal to assemble and express. I do not support their socialist viewpoint. Smashing windows and painting on someone elses property is punishable by law. That they assembled at the time flowerpot killer/trespasser perp did his thing is a coincidence. Mixing the two is a third party perspective.

    I hope I made clear my position.


    Respectfully, The TinMan
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    New Hampshire man recently got arrested for firing his gun into the ground to stop a burglar.

    I think he was charged with a crime against Nature.
  17. hmb

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    Where I live the police take an oath of office, to protect life and property. HMB
  18. Leo

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    I think one of the points of this is that when people are acting out, peacefully or violently, it makes demands on the safety systems that society has in place. When Large organizations, like the occupy protestors who have been rallyed against our country, continue to make disrupt society, it over loads our safety systems. That is exactly what the organizers set out to do. The fact that we have more and more people bent on destroying America, both in legistration and in civil unrest, means that we have less safety and finacial resources for law abiding citizens. Law abiding citizens pay for all the benefits of society and they are used up by those who continue these big scale antisocial endevors. It the original post, a man paid the ultimate price, dying because his benefit of tax payer funded protection was being used up babysitting the recruited soldiers in the socialists war against America.
  19. halfmile

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    Leo, yes. But iof you read the link there had to be some incompetence here.

    "The victim had called police on a nonemergency line after first seeing Dewitt, according to sources familiar with the case. But police were busy monitoring an Occupy Oakland march to UC Berkeley, and officers were dispatched only to high-priority calls.

    The trespassing call was even further ignored when an officer told the dispatcher he had plans to go check out the call, but was told not to go. Minutes later, the victim was beaten to death with a potted plant."

    I hope that dispatcher sleeps well at night.

    HM
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