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Police State...Definition

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Pre-64, Dec 21, 2012.

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  1. Pre-64

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    An excerpt of "Police States" from Wikipedia..
    "The Soviet Union and its many satellite states, including North Korea and East Germany were notorious for their extensive and repressive police and intelligence services, with approximately 2.5% of the East German adult population serving (knowingly or unknowingly) as informants for the Stasi.

    Nazi Germany, a dictatorship, was, at least initially, brought into being through a nominal democracy, yet exerted repressive controls over its people. Germany was a police state; using the SS/SA to assert control over the population in the 1930s"

    Arming our teachers? Will we be arming theater ushers (see Aurora mass shootings) ? Priests (see mass shooting in Wisconsin)? Mall Managers (see Oregon shootings)?, Grocery store clerks (see Tucson shootings)? Waitress also (see Ruby mass killing in Killen) in addition to armed guards in 90,000+ schools and colleges?

    Go ahead call me a troll...I'm a 40-year veteran of the NRA "Life Member" but I know "nuts" when I hear 'em!
     
  2. Rich219

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    Troll.

    Lawful concealed carry does arm the waitress, the priest, the usher, etc.
     
  3. CalvinMD

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    Funny you should mention Germany ..we're about one executive order shy of it just 70 years later.
     
  4. grntitan

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    Another troll who just recently joined. Did somebody open the troll prison gates??
     
  5. schwabby

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    Calvin, I thought Obama was a Socialist. Is he actually a fascist?
     
  6. Brian in Oregon

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    Comparing concealed handgun permit holders to the Nazis or Communists?

    Put down the crack pipe and go back to the Democratic Underground.

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    Schwabby, Obama is a national socialist.
     
  7. CalvinMD

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    not much difference..one is extreme left and the other even leftererer ; ))
     
  8. bigdogtx

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    may want to restudy that Oregon mall case.....
     
  9. Old Cowboy

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    I'd say legally armed civilians is the OPPOSITE of a "police state".......by definition. The dictators running the Police State can't afford to let their people be armed.
     
  10. otnot

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    My definition is having to put up with TSA, Homeland Security and now indefinite
    detention without trial. (NDAA bill)
     
  11. jimctrap

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    you got right old cowboy
     
  12. crusha

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    Go look at Gene's proposal to re-write the Constitution, to require forced Military service in order to vote.


    That's closer to the definition of a Police State than anything you're offering.
     
  13. daddiooo

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    You know Buzz...once upon a time we had a forced draft here. One thing about forced military service, EVERYBODY get firearms training.
    (as in Switzerland) Might not be a bad idea for the illegals in this country also. Once you've served 4 years in the military, you earn citizenship.




    Now.....waiting for Gene's response.
     
  14. drgondog

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    I personally support rifle/pistol/shotgun teams in every high school and dabble with the notion of Firearm safety class being mandatory to graduate from K-12 (or GED) and our Texas mandatory Hunter Safety class is what I have in mind, automatic US citizenship after Honorable discharge for non-citizens serving in our Armed Forces.

    I support the Citizen Soldier and am wary of a all 'Professional' armed force so I would also support a re-institution of the draft so long as automatic GI benefits were available following Honorable Discharge. My primary issue is that 'go along to get along' is a major potential problem with respect to Fitness Reports when your career depends on them.

    If you review most retired Lt Col and Bird Colonel - you will see a LOT of warriors that were forced out because their "Perfumed Prince Card" was not punched. Draftees, both officer and enlisted are more honest.

    Gene and I are not so far apart in several instances with respect to Federal Service
     
  15. cmmonaco78

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    I think what Pre-64 is trying to convey is that having an armed police officer in every school is akin to a police state. I happen to agree with that. I do not want my children growing up in a country that has police presence in schools. I also don't want them growing up in a world in which the government and criminals are the only ones with the guns. Sounds also like a police state. The NRA's reaction seems to me as Knee-jerk as the anti's reaction. And as far as an executive order is concerned we should all take alook at the NDAA bill that was just passed by the congress, both Dems and republicans passed it with not many down votes from either party. It authorizes indefinet detention for AMERICAN CITIZENS suspected of terrorist acts. No trial,no Miranda, no judge. Think about it. Who determines who could be a suspect. Can protesters from the Tea party be SUSPECT? How about the occupy idiots? Does it matter? We are talking about our constitutional rights no mater what your political beliefs are. So they can throw us in jail without a trial. They will take a way our guns. This is what your elected officials are deciding how they will control the country. BOTH SIDES of the isle. The only one who stood up and called for action was Rand Paul.

    Regards,

    Christopher Monaco
     
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    I'm not totally against some sort of mandatory service for the males graduating High School or of that age. I'm talking like the Marines 13 week Basic Training. Young men seldom gain much common sense until they reach the age 25. For some it takes much longer than that. It would have done me some good at that age. Then if one chooses to serve longer he could continue on into Infantry School and so-on. This would simply be to teach respect for others as well as build self confidence. I think it would aid in making them more productive in society and easier to teach on the college level.

    That stated, the whole notion being proposed by the lead forum looney of not being able to own a firearm or not being able to vote is a stupid idea. We were given those Rights by our Fore Fathers. We cannot continue to treat our Constitution like toilet paper.

    We continue to remove God from everything we know and wonder why the society we are now living in resembles hell.
     
  17. John Galt

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    We already have armed police in 1/3rd of our schools and I haven't heard any complaints about a "police state" before. It's no more of a police state than sky marshalls on airliners.
     
  18. Ed C

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    Just a quick point on the communist/fascist discussion earlier, there's this common misconception that fascism is a left wing ideology (generally supported by nothing more substantial than the original name of the nazi party as the national socialist party).

    This is historically and factually inaccurate. Communism and Fascism are both bad because they are extremist and totalitarian in nature, their similarities end there, see Oxford's definition:


    Definition of fascism
    noun
    an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
    (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
    The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach


    Long story short: Say what you want about good or bad right or left wing policies, but if you take any ideology too far from center (ie extremism) and you will find true evil. This thought should be kept front of mind whenever making decisions about what political system you want.
     
  19. cmmonaco78

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    John while I respect your opinion. I belive that that's all it is, opinion. As they say proof or it didn't happen. Please sight some sort of fact to Suport that 1/3 of America's schools have armed police. BTW the armed campus police at VT didn't seem to help curtail that situation and there was an armed security officer at columbine that shot at Harris 9 times and missed. Should we put armed police in movie theaters?

    I'm not saying that we should have less concealed carry or any type of ban. I'm just Leary of a country that has more fear and police presence and less education and level headed decision making. The Anti's are coming on strong right now. The NRA is taking a stronger stance. But there is really no talk of mental health issues, sensationalism in media INCLUDING FOX NEWS or education on responsible gun ownership.

    A fear state creates a state of perpetual fear.


    Regards

    CM
     
  20. 682LINY

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    a large amount of NY City schools have a post,, same in Los Angles , i dought its like that in the mid west,,,but by percentage i dont know
     
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