1. Attention: We have put together a thread with tips and a tutorial video to help with using the new software. Please take a moment to check out the thread here: Trapshooters.com Tutorial & Help Video.
    Dismiss Notice

Pittsburgh Police shooting

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Barrelbulge(Fl), Apr 7, 2009.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Barrelbulge(Fl)

    Barrelbulge(Fl) Banned User Banned TS Supporters

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2007
    Messages:
    11,666
    Location:
    West Central Florida
    Just revealed last night on a local station. The 911 operator never let the police know that the perp had guns. Police went there not knowing. Bulge
     
  2. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    15,642
    Location:
    Green Bay Wisconsin
    I see a lot of sly gun hating messages in the media, about the moron being afraid for 2nd amendment rights and stuff.

    Let's get it straight, his dog peed on the rug and he got into a fight with his Momma. She called 911.

    The first breaking news just went right for the throat, and spewed the 2nd amendment reasons for his actions. It was a good 10-12 hours before the events leading up to the incident were mentioned.

    Liberal media - in the tank for the Brady Bunch.

    HM
     
  3. Easystreet

    Easystreet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    1,463
    Bulge,

    The police should ALWAYS assume there are guns in the home. Don't blame the 911 operator. For that matter, the police are not to blame either. It was the crazy perp who shot the police that is to blame.

    Easystreet
     
  4. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2006
    Messages:
    10,650
    Easystreet,,,,they may assume that but don't usually go to a domestic dispute with guns DRAWN and EXPECTING gun-play,,,,sorry but this is the 911 operator's fault at least 80%....
     
  5. Barrelbulge(Fl)

    Barrelbulge(Fl) Banned User Banned TS Supporters

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2007
    Messages:
    11,666
    Location:
    West Central Florida
    The 911 conversation was put on TV and the mother of the perp who made the call told the operator that guns were present in the house. The operator never passed the info on to the Police. Apparently the mother, and the son had some minor scuffles with the law. The 911 operator is no longer a 911 operator. Bulge.
     
  6. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    15,642
    Location:
    Green Bay Wisconsin
    Operator screw up if that's the case.

    This didn't have to happen. What a farce.

    HM
     
  7. Easystreet

    Easystreet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    1,463
    It would be very easy for the police to run a check to see if the occupants of the house had any guns in their name. Hell, if they can do this before approaching a stopped vehicle before writing a speeding ticket, they can do it before answering a domestic violence situation at someone's house.

    But, as 221 pointed out, do we want the cops to assume that anyone with a firearm registered in their name is a potential cop killer and come in with guns drawn? Be careful what you wish for.

    With over 250 MILLION firearms in this country and with nearly half of all homes having at least one firearm, the cops should anticipate firearms in EVERY home they go into, especially on a domestic violence situation.

    Easystreet
     
  8. 100after9

    100after9 TS Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    422
    God Bless the fallen and their families no matter who is to blame it is truly crazy that anyone has to go through something like this. And then have the friend tell everyone on TV that he thought he had the right to bear arms... I love that I have my freedom but, I don't believe this is the meaning on that right. Shooting at a police office trying to help and never expecting this!!! Wrong on all accounts!
     
  9. shannon391

    shannon391 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    4,477
    Any chickenshit can hide in a closet and shoot people. What a cowardly bushwacker.
     
  10. ccw1911

    ccw1911 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    816
    Easystreet what check is it that the police can do to find out if you have guns in your house?

    In my part of the country there are guns in pretty much every house but I don't know of any check a police officer can run to determine that for sure unless there had been previous calls and firearms use. I would never support a database for that purpose even though there may be a good side the risk of govt abuse of that list is way too great.

    In my opinion only, if the 911 operator had knowledge of firearms at the location of a domestic call and knew that there had been problems there in the past with the bad guy, they should have informed the responding officers of those facts. Everyone knows that domestic calls are the most dangerous for police.

    Also in my old fashioned opinion the 911 system where the same people dispatch firemen, emt's, dogcatchers, and police, is not an improvement over the old system where you called the police department yourself directly. Some 911 systems merely connect you to the correct department and that's ok I guess. I know I will get lots of flak for that but it's my opinion based on time on the job both as a cop and a fireman. In those days the dispatcher at the PD may have been an officer himself and in any case got daily breifing and would probably know the history of the guy the call was about. So they would pass along that important info to the responding officers.
     
  11. k1200ltc509

    k1200ltc509 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    825
    I was in the line for over 30 years, and I never knew of a check where it was "easy for the police to run a check to see if the occupants of the house had any guns in their name" let alone before approaching a vehicle. Granted I did start in the dark ages with a wheelgun even before the wondernines were popular up until each and every car in the fleet was equipped with it's own Toughbook in car computer. I have been retired for a few years but still keep in touch with the trade magazines, and active duty LEOS. Also active in police supply sales. Maybe you could elaborate on what system or database this is?

    It was hammered into our heads (again it was long ago!) that there was always at least one firearm present on ALL calls and that was your duty weapon!

    It saddens me to see something like this. Somewhere there may have been a major snafu, but there is now maybe a widow, or a child that is without a father brother etc. It is lame for anyone that wasn't there with first hand knowledge to comment on the situation. Not pointing any fingers, but just my .02 cents worth. Rick Gibbs
     
  12. Easystreet

    Easystreet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    1,463
    OK, guys, I made a mistake. I was wrong about the police being able to easily check to see if you had guns registered in your name. I was thinking about something else. Sorry about that.

    Easystreet
     
  13. rick resko

    rick resko TS Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    40
    came through Pittsburgh twice today. they had the parkway shut down from 10 till 1. overhead signs saluting the fallen. very sad indeed
     
  14. 635 G

    635 G Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    6,219
    In NC your CCW is directly linked to your driver's license. It is mandated upon being stopped you keep your hands in plain sight & notify the LEO that you possess a CCW. Failure do so can cost you your CCW & $$$$.

    Phil Berkowitz
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.