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Pima Sheriff failed to protect Gifford from perp

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Brian in Oregon, Jan 10, 2011.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Time and again we've seen crazed lunatics shoot up innocent citizens, and time and again the local sheriff or chief of police points fingers at law abiding citizens. Yet all too often they have a skeleton in their closet. Like their department having prior contact with these perps, but nothing gets done with them. Patrick Purdy, the Virginia Tech shooter, many more, and now Gifford's would be assassin....

    http://thechollajumps.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/jared-loughner-is-a-product-of-sheriff-dupniks-office/

    Jared Loughner is a product of Sheriff Dupnik’s office

    This is the report that Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has been dreading since the tragic event on Saturday January 8.

    The sheriff has been editorializing and politicizing the event since he took the podium to report on the incident. His blaming of radio personalities and bloggers is a pre-emptive strike because Mr. Dupnik knows this tragedy lays at his feet and his office. Six people died on his watch and he could have prevented it. He needs to step up and start apologizing to the families of the victims instead of spinning this event to serve his own political agenda.

    Jared Loughner, pronounced by the Sheriff as Lock-ner, saying it was the Polish pronunciation. Of course he meant Scott or Irish but that isn’t the point. The point is he and his office have had previous contact with the alleged assailant in the past and that is how he knows how to pronounce the name.

    Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County. Amy Loughner is a Natural Resource specialist for the Pima County Parks and Recreation. My sympathies and my heart goes out to her and the rest of Mr. Loughner’s family. This tragedy must be tearing them up inside wondering if they had done the right things in trying to manage Jared’s obvious mental instability.

    Every victim of his threats previously must also be wondering if this tragedy could have been prevented if they had been more aggressive in pursuing charges against Mr. Loughner. Perhaps with a felony conviction he would never have been able to lawfully by the Glock 9mm Model 19 that he used to strike down the lives of six people and decimate 14 more.

    This was not an act of politics. This was an act of a mentally disturbed young man hell bent on getting his 15 minutes of infamy. The Pima County Sheriff’s Department was aware of his violent nature and they failed to act appropriately. This tragedy leads right back to Sherriff Dupnik and all the spin in the world is not going to change that fact.
     
  2. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    The sherrif is now playing the gun control card.
     
  3. BIGDON

    BIGDON Well-Known Member

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    Well said Brian.

    Don
     
  4. Setterman

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    The Sheriff is playing the political card bigtime.

    And...he is trying to take the attention away from the failures to deal with this guy (who was a known mental case) prior to this.
     
  5. slipping into darkness

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    When has any political person ever except responsibly for anything, it's easier to blame all others, just more fuel for Gun control and removing weapons from society. I'm surprised they haven't Blame Bush yet.
     
  6. eightbore

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    Ridgeport, I think we will take that chance and continue to criticize the law enforcement personnel of Pima County if they knew of this man's problems and did not keep an eye on him. The sheriff does not come off as truthful or realistic in his speeches and we should be skeptical.
     
  7. shannon391

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    I agree with Brian 100%.

    The Sheriff has a warped view and is doing a terrible job handling the pressure of the media.
     
  8. halfmile

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    This one is easy, and the truth is the sheriff blew it. If it was a year earlier he would now be blaming Bush.

    Anything to get the albatross off his neck. A more obseving electorate, if they are there, will fire him soon.

    What a POS.

    HM
     
  9. W.P.T.

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    Ridgeport,

    You sound like lefty, way out in left field I might add ... Can you prove your statement about the Police out harrasing Hispanics ... Just where in the world is Hispania which is where Hispanics would come from, like Canadians come from Canada ... The shooting was a tragic event that could not of been avoided unless you are a Monday morning Quarter Back and get to make all the calls once the game has ended ... If the Whack job who did the shooting is supposed to be in a facilty its his familys obligation to get him the help he needs ... The fact be known the State may not of even known this guy was a Whacko about ready to come apart at the seams so what could they of done about it ..? WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  10. RDM

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    Just remember one thing, Law enforcement has rules to play by,, the LAW.

    Crazy people do crazy things and don't play by the rules, as you and I. But until police can prove without a doubt that someone have/has committed a crime in court, then thier hands are tied and limited as to what they can do.

    Its easy to pass the blame when something like this happens. Its a tragic event without a doubt, and my thoughts and prayers go out to all of those involved.
     
  11. shannon391

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    No one would be pointing the finger at him if he would have kept his trap shut instead of trying to blame the shooters motive on right wing propaganda.
     
  12. stokinpls

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    A typical lib socialist tactic is to take the spotlight off their own criminal by citing a worse example supposedly committed by their opponent (usually George Bush).
     
  13. W.R.Buchanan

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    Brian: would you try to send that blurb to O'Reilly. If you could get this on the air it would certainly be interesting in lue of last nights left wing bullshit attacks on everyone from Sarah Palin to Gaston Glock! And damn those 30 rnd mags, we need to ban them now so this NEVER happens again.

    The people that are the exact reason for this shit happening, are the people who ignored this Bozo. Plain and simple. I don't even want to hear about the cuts of funding for anything. That's no excuse for not doing your F*&^$#& job!!! If your funds get cut and you don't want to do your job any more, you should quit and go home, instead of milking the system for every cent you personally can get out of it.! If you are in LE and you don't want to do your job because of real or imagined problems, then you are a POS, and need to be removed.! You are supposed to be held to a little higher standard, since you are watching the rest of us.

    If this guy would have been trained at all he could have REALLY done some damage. He had 2-3 33 rnd mags and if he wouldn't have bobbled the reload, and would have hit what he was aiming at there would have been 60-90 dead instead of what he got. He could have done the same thing with 10 rnd mags, he just would have had to do a few more mag changes. If he was trained this would have been no issue whatsoever. What if a police officer went berserk, they are well trained and armed, and I've seen many of them that are certainly as unstable as this asshole is. What about them? Sorry LE guys on here, but you know I'm not wrong here, there are idiots everywhere and preventing anything from ever happening again in not only impossible it is ludricrous.

    Here's a point you won't see everywhere. This guy had the perfect right to do what he did... Our Constitution says so. We live in a FREE Society! Part of living in a Free Society is the chance you take that something like this will happen. On the flip side, He also has the obligation to die for what he did and he surely will. It's just too bad somebody carrying a gun in an open carry state didn't shut him down on he scene.

    He would have been a Hero, that is if the left wing nut cases didn't try to kill him for violating the shooters rights!

    We could beat this topic to death and it will still be about only 2 things.

    This is all about a nut trying to get his 15 minutes of Fame, He could have been stopped many times. Nobody gave a shit!

    Really,,,,when you get right down to it, This is all about the "nobody gave a shit" part!

    Randy
     
  14. merlynstrapguns

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    Has anyone considered that most of the centers for mental treatment are closed and only the most insane cases get into some form of treatment. The wackys like this boy go unnoticed for ever if no one forces him into a treatment center which is understaffed and over occupied. We got money to bail out banks and every other mistake created by man and nature, but we don't want to piss money away on the unstable goofballs who turn KILLER......merlyn
     
  15. wireguy

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    If it is true that the sheriff knew of multiple credible death threats by this piece of puke, why did those not show up on the FBI's NICS check? Is there some law preventing that? Or could simple dereliction of duty be the explanation?
     
  16. Brian in Oregon

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    Regardless of what the governor did or did not do, regardless of whether there are state programs for the mentally unstable or not, the issue is the sheriff's deputies had contact with him, and misled (ie lied) to victims that the perp was being well taken care of by the mental health system, and pressing charges was not needed and would complicate things. THAT is the failure. If the deputies had done their job, this guy might have wound up being declared not mentally competent or at least be in jail for menacing and threatening people with death, instead of walking into a gun shop and buying a gun because he had no conviction or mental health history.
     
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    limbaugh was all over this on his show today. it'll be interesting to see how it unfolds
     
  18. rustygun

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    Brian, it seems to me that you were a leo wanna be at onetime. Couldn't make it, so you take it out on them now.
    You are also the first to point out when law officers "step on someones second amendment rights".
    Put the blame where it belongs, on the individual that pulled the trigger.
    The sheriff should not have commented on his personal views, but the fault isn't on law enforcements shoulders.
     
  19. eightbore

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    No one said anything about law enforcement. We are accusing the sheriff of neglecting his duty by not taking any action when he knew there was a problem and lying about the reason. He is diverting blame by bringing in the gun thing. He is a typical libbo gungrabber. I hope he gets some slapping around by the powers that be in Pima County. We will at least find out what pressure the mother of the perp put on the County to leave her son alone when she should have been begging to have him put away. If you have a killer in your home, you keep him there, you don't let him out on the street.
     
  20. rustygun

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    Last time I checked Law enforcement included the sheriff.
     
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