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Phil Kiner

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by BDodd, Aug 6, 2008.

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  1. BDodd

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    Kudos on your interview with Dan Orlich in the new T & F. Great stuff - great man!....Bob Dodd
     
  2. jbbor

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    Did you read Phil's July 23 blog? Jimmy Borum
     
  3. BrowningGal

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    I, too, really enjoyed that article. I loved how he took the time to write out his responses to Phil's questions. It's like listening to Dan tell the story. His description of how it felt to break that 400x400 was incredible.

    How about the reprint of his Breaking Targets column? That was very insightful. You know, I bought that Frank Little book that's a collection of his articles. I wish there were a similar book available for Dan's articles.
     
  4. BDodd

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    Jimmy - Yup! I worry about how some small clubs, heck some big clubs, may have major problems dealing with 29 yard shooting stations. Do you somehow relate this to Orlich's great history?.....Bob Dodd
     
  5. markdenis

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    I have shot at many, many clubs throughout the US and have never seen one yet that did not or could not make room to add two more yards. I am sure they are out there, but I have not shot at one. Now, the expense may be a different story, but the space to include to more yards is not that big an issue that I have seen.

    I think Neil will at least take at look at Kiner's suggestions which is more than I can say for the past leaders of our sport.

    Mark Rounds
     
  6. jimbotrap

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    I am sure Neil will look at Mr. Kiner's suggestions. Problem is the majority of the EC and BoD will not look at anything other than making the sport easier.
    Most probably due to their own abilities. - Jim
     
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    Jim Elliott- I have talked with all of the EC and many of the delegates. All of them are willing to make any change that will help our sport. The problem that frequently arises is documenting that the change will really help our sport.

    The last sentence in your post suggests to me that you know few members of the EC and B of D.

    Pat Ireland
     
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    Phil's article was excellent.

    Phil, now go do the same with C. E. "Barney" Barnhart, George Snellenberger, and Gene Sears. They were all mentioned (mentioned by Orlich)in Phil's article and are still alive and kickin'. (Barney's been a little down lately, I hear).

    If I'm not mistaken, and I might be...I think these four, Orlich, Barnhart, Snellenberger and Sears have all shot off against each other for the Clay Target Champ. of America with one of the four being the winner each time. I'm certain about the first three because I've heard the stories directly from some of them....

    Lucky me!

    Again..excellent article Phil!

    milt
     
  9. FN in MT

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    I met Dan twenty years ago in Reno at a Dinner party. I was visiting from Montana and was the guest of my Father in Law who knew a few Casino Owners.

    Finally got to meet Dan Orlich and told him that he and I had a mutual friend; Zip Eaton from Helena. Dan's eyes brightened and he slapped me on the back several times while he was laughing. He and Zip were on the squad that broke the 500x500 at the Grand many years earlier. We still have a photo of Orlich sleeping in a chair at the Helena Trap Club while attending a shoot there way back in the 60's.

    Ended up going to Sage Hills in Reno with Dan the next day, and shooting some targets. A great honor. Hell of a Gentlemen and a real shooter.

    Looking forward to reading Kiners article.

    FN in MT
     
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    There were many gun clubs which didn't have the money or room to add 2 yards to go from the 25 to the 27 either, but they managed.
     
  11. markdenis

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    Bruce

    I realize it would be a hardship for many clubs to incorporate the changes Mr. Kiner had suggested. I have not shot in all states but several in the mid section of the U.S. but never on either coast. I just made the statement that I have not run across a club that did not have the room to add a couple of yards in my shooting career. The intent on my statement was not to slam the ATA for not considering such a change or reduce the stature of clubs that simple do not have the room or finances to do so. It was just a statement describing what I have observed while shooting at many clubs in and around the state of Kentucky.

    What I have noticed in the last few years is that nearly every new trap field that has been built in Kentucky that I have shot at has poured concrete back to the 30 yard line. I think the Grand missed the boat on this one!

    Mark Rounds
     
  12. jimbotrap

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    Mr. Ireland - You are patially correct. I have only had conversations with three of the current EC members. However I knew several of past members. My comments were directed basically at the current BoD. I have for years read the minutes at the Grand EC, BoD meetings. Most changes adopted in the past
    several years are sanctions against the average shooter. Example the concerning punches of 1 1/2 yards that puts a moritorium on reduction for 2 years. It only penalizes shooters. And there are more. - Jim
     
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