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Perry and Ethanol

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by mrskeet410, Sep 5, 2011.

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  1. mrskeet410

    mrskeet410 TS Member

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    Perry and ethanol

    (long link, you'll probably have to cut-and-paste)

    http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/08/27/iowa-farmers-blast-rick-perrys-answer-to-their-questions-about-ethanol-mandate/?odyssey=obinsite
     
  2. John Galt

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    yada yada yada
     
  3. mrskeet410

    mrskeet410 TS Member

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    More baby-talk from our fake libertarian sporting the name of a fictional libertarian icon.

    A true libertarian would be interested in Perry's stance on government subsidies and crony capitalism. Is TS.com's "John Galt" really a libertarian?
     
  4. BAD 303

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    You seem to like posting anything negative you can find on the Conservative candidates so why nothing on the Muslim destroying this great country? Your agenda was noted the first day you posted here. You are nothing more than a lib bobble head. Try thinking for yourself someday.
     
  5. mrskeet410

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    BAD 303 - Why do you think an article stating Perry's position on ethanol is negative? Is BAD 303 in favor of ethanol subsidies? Would any true libertarian, true tea party member, or true economic conservative be in favor of ethanol subsidies? And wouldn't Perry seem more desirable to people those groups considering his ethanol position?

    So what groups would appose Perry's position?
     
  6. birdogs

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    Ethanol made from corn, a food staple is just plain stupid. If we made it from switchgrass that would be an entirely different matter.

    Sic em, Rick!
     
  7. mrskeet410

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    Birdogs - Should there be government subsidies for switchgrass ethanol?
     
  8. Rick Barker

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    Yawn........

    While she won't make the cut, I still want gospel singing, fire and brimstone preaching, Bachmann.
     
  9. likes-to-shoot

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    Rick.......unfortunately I think you might be correct about Bachmann not making the cut.

    Be nice thought wouldn't it? Just think a little Bachman-Turner-Overdrive music at the inaugural ball.

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  10. birdogs

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    Mr. Skeet,

    No subsidies! If it can't stand on its own economically, it doesn't deserve to survive.

    Want to creat jobs? Suspend a lot of the currect regs on business in general AND drill for oil (or otherwise extract it) everywhere! That will create jobs in the oil patch but also in the general economy. It may take years for the oil to come on-line BUT the morale boost will be sufficient to get the investors to invest once again

    Contrast such a strategy with the "infrastructure bank" which is another spending boondogle. My solution will create 1 millio jobs in 6 months to a year and upwards from that point. The newly employed will pay taxes and gov't revenues will increase. OBO's approach will add $ billions to the debt and not create any long-term growth. But OBO's approach WILL benefit OPEC.
     
  11. 60MM

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    We have a ethanol plant not far from where I live. I have heard they are in financial trouble. With corn at $8.00 a bu and it takes 10 bu to make a gallon of ethanol no wonder they are in trouble.
     
  12. RickN

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    2.8 gallons per bushel of corn.
     
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    Where is the value. Corn at $8 for 2.8 gal is $2.85 per gallon. How much for production cost, transportation cost and profit. Think ethanol is part of the reason gas is so high?
     
  14. slic lee

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    My wrangler,a six cyl with a 5 speed manual gets 22 to 25 MPG on reg with top up.
    With ethanol I get 15 sometimes on the highway at 55, 4th and 5th gear are for getting better mileage.
     
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    35% of the the corn crop goes toward ethanol. 45cents per gallon federal subsidy so it can compete with reg. gasoline. Anyone know how many gallons of fuel it takes to make a gallon of ethanol??
     
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    As a demo I am taking a Republican primary ballot and voting for Michelle. Want her so bad on the GOP ticket. We will have fun.

    Likes-to-shoot is right on target with BTO at the convention. Love it! BTO is great music. ( But we’ve got Fleet Wood Mac). Most of the Old Fs at the Republican convention have never heard of BTO, but who cares?

    As usual, GOP takin’ care of top 1% and big business.

    If she does not win the Republican nomination, it must be because God does not like her conduct.
    If Gov. Perry does not win the election, if must be because the voters read his book.
     
  17. Leo

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    Producing ethanol is a zero sum game. After all the expense, it still cannot compete without government subsidy. It was the same last generation, when jimmy carter,s government subsidys ran out, the plants closed back down. OF course today, the government mandates have also driven the price for animal feed out of reality, and all the meat you need to feed your family has doubled. Another knee jerk government plan that causes more harm than good. Imagine that.
     
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    Ethanol is why your car is not running as well as it could be, all food price's are up!

    Ethanol "cost" you at least 4 mpg less!

    Just another one of those "touchie, feelie" things from your local eco-freaks!
     
  19. Rick Barker

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    Yes it would.

    I see her campaign manager quit today, because he said he "could not keep up with the grind."
     
  20. wolfram

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    An almost humorous remark made by one farmer who describes himself as conservative - he could not support Perry because Perry would end the government mandate to use a large quota of ethanol as fuel - and instead he would 'swallow hard' when it came time to vote in 2012. - presumably he would vote for Obama?

    So there you have it - being conservative is good until you have to pay for it - when that happens it is okay to become a liberal because 'somebody else' will have to pay for it.

    Interesting side note, the farmers in my area are growing mostly corn this year as the prices are expected to be sky high. This corn cultivation is displacing alot of hay production - guess who pays and where.
     
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