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Perot was right

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by 635 G, Jul 21, 2011.

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  1. 635 G

    635 G Well-Known Member

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    Looks like Ross Perot was right, maybe the only thing we can do to resurrect our economy is to scrap NAFTA, But then the price of illegal drugs would sky rocket.

    Phil Berkowitz
     
  2. Baber

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    Remember.... Ross gave us Bill Clinton....

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  3. K-GUNS

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    Make all the drugs legal and let the govt tax the shit out of them.........
     
  4. shot410ga

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    NAFTA put a enormous hurt on the American blue collar worker, more than any other legislation ever enacted. It should have never been signed into law, and should be abolished.
     
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    Along with all the other "free" trade agreements, they are only free for the other countries, as usual we take it in the shorts
     
  6. SeldomShoots

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    Clinton's worst act as president was failing to veto it. It was by far the worst thing the Republican controlled house and senate did to this country. The beginning of the end of American manufacturing.

    John
     
  7. sliverbulletexpress

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    I have to disagree that Nafta was the beginning of the end of manufacture in the US, conservative Americans buying Japanese cars and Wal Mart business practices was the beginning and the end.

    To explain Wal Mart, they were proud to sell American made products in the beginning but once they sucked in the small business manufacturer and put them in a position of selling strictly to WM, they proceeded to put them out of business by demanding lower and lower prices. Once hooked on Wal Mart the small manufactures had no choice but to go under, they had lost all their other customers. Shoe manufacturing plants, clothing plants and many others where screwed over by the giant, now they are practically none in the US. So then Wal Mart has no choice but to go off shore to buy the products to meet the demands of their increasing number of stores. It's a strategy used by many big businesses.
     
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    During his campaign one of the statements he would make concerning trade agreements was: "As a result of trade agreements, you will hear this huge sucking sound and that sucking sound is jobs being sucked out of the U.S."
     
  9. Hal1225

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    Protect your job, buy American is what my father fought Japan for in WWII. People bought Volkswagen, Honda Motor cycles, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Toyota, Subaru, Datsun, Nissan, Mazda instead. What else? This was before Walmart existed. School teachers set the example as first to buy foreign.

    Harry
     
  10. Rick Barker

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    Just to set the record straight, the Republicans did not hold the majority in the House and Senate January 1, 1994, when NAFTA took effect. The Republicans took control with the November 1994 elections.

    While it is true Republican numbers that supported it were more than Democrats, it could not have passed without the Democrats that did.

    Once again, it proves that the Democrats are not the all and true supporters of American Labor as they pretend they are.
     
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    Ya think?
     
  12. daddiooo

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    When the whole NAFTA thing came on the scene Ross Perot made the statement
    " You don't do business with people that don't have money and Mexico don't have any money".
     
  13. Shooting Sailor

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    NAFTA hasn't done any good in Canada, either. The only ones to profit by NAFTA have been corporations, who use the Act to move jobs offshore. Up here, we have had good paying manufacturing jobs move down to the States, and even Mexico, but that isn't really a big surprise, as many companies have been bought by American or multi-national corporations when the Canadian dollar was low, and the companies were bargains. Once a country starts to lose its manufacturing capabilities, without anything to replace those good paying middle class jobs, the writing is on the wall. When corporate profits leave the country, and aren't replaced, the writing becomes bigger. By the time the average Joe realises his job is next and starts screaming for Government to do something, it is far too late!
    Corporate greed, be it in manufacturing, financial services, or anything else, has been the ruin of the middle class. Bankers have been turned loose to create money out of thin air, without creating anything of substance, and somehow they say they made money. Interest alone doesn't account for the supposed profits reported by financial institutions, and in reality, that is the only way they can make money. Anything else, under close examination, is just a scam, as is evidenced by the unholy profits reported by big banks and insurance companies in the USA, and the bankruptcies and bailouts of the last few years.
    The middle class is shrinking, as is their buying power, and without that buying power driving the largest portion of the economy, and the taxes paid by the middle class increasingly becoming a burden on them, the system is doomed without major restructuring. The major driver of an economy cannot be removed, and the tax burden cannot be placed on an ever-shrinking population, without creating a disaster. It will take smarter people than me to fix things, but I refuse to trust Governments and "financial experts" who put us here in the first place.
     
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    Now we hit the nail on the head. A country cannot survive forever when importing more than it exports. The population has increased but the tax base has remained about the same or risen very little. We need jobs in America to support the population. The US has turned into a service economy. We cannot continue much longer.

    The dollar is the standard used in the world. We export less than we import so we make up for the money that left the country by printing more of it. This action makes the dollar worth less. It is worth less for us and less for foreign entities holding our money. Some countries want to go back to the gold standard for foreign exchange. Going to the gold standard will cause our dollar to be worth less and less. We will no longer be in a position to print more money just to break even. The US economy will see inflation like we have never seen before. The next round of inflation will make the 80's look like child's play.

    It is time we get the asses in Washington to wake up. Spending less is important. Selling more is more important. Stop the trade agreements. Get the US back on its feet. We cannot help others if we cannot help ourselves.

    Those with more knowledge than I should expand on this topic. Get some attention going.
     
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    Rick,

    You're dead right about the Dems and their labor relations. They're nothing but a bunch of self-serving whores. They continue to promise unions and labor sweetheart deals to get the needed votes to get back into office and then bone them at the first opportunity. Labor and unions seem to have a short memory.

    As I've said before the US imports nearly everything from everybody and the only thing we export is our jobs and our technology.

    The thing the American voters miss the most is their brains. Not really sure they're smart enough at times to even know whats missing.
     
  16. 635 G

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    We're like the native American's who were screwed by the early settlers and companies from Europe. We're giving away the wealth of our nation that is available in the from of trinkets that are sold in Wal-mart. The only way to save America is to fire every incumbent. Make sure no one is re=elected. The rallying cry should be ,"If they're in, they're out"

    Phil Berkowitz
     
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    Rick,

    You're dead right about the Dems and their labor relations. They're nothing but a bunch of self-serving whores. They continue to promise unions and labor sweetheart deals to get the needed votes to get back into office and then bone them at the first opportunity. Labor and unions seem to have a short memory.

    As I've said before the US imports nearly everything from everybody and the only thing we export is our jobs and our technology.

    The thing the American voters miss the most is their brains. Not really sure they're smart enough at times to even know whats missing.
     
  18. 635 G

    635 G Well-Known Member

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    We're like the native American's who were screwed by the early settlers and companies from Europe. We're giving away the wealth of our nation that is available in the from of trinkets that are sold in Wal-mart. The only way to save America is to fire every incumbent. Make sure no one is re=elected. The rallying cry should be ,"If they're in, they're out"

    Phil Berkowitz
     
  19. John Galt

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    We export nothing but jobs and technology? Not quite accurate since in 2008 the US exported $1.283 trillion worth of products. This was made up of industrial supplies, 29.8%; production machinery, 29.5%; non-auto consumer goods, 12.4%; motor vehicles and parts, 9.3%; food, feed and beverages, 8.3%; aircraft and parts, 6.6%; other, 4.1%.

    Maybe $1.28 trillion dollars is pocket change to some but it seems like a lot to most people, I suspect.
     
  20. Catpower

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    Look on the bright side, Whamo is reshoring it's hula hoops and frisbee's, not high tech, but hey a few jobs coming back

    They say that there will be more coming back in a few years that China's cheap labor is going up about 17% each year

    But they will find some other third world country to ship jobs off to
     
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