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Pearl Harbor # 2

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Barrelbulge(Fl), Mar 18, 2013.

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  1. Barrelbulge(Fl)

    Barrelbulge(Fl) Banned User Banned TS Supporters

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    Was it the Chief of Naval Operations the IDIOT who came up with this docking idea? Or was he the idiot?

    Secretary of Defense? POTUS? Could be a plan . . . Has ANYONE have a little knowledge of history?

    One Dirty bomb. . . .

    WHAT AN IDIOT. GREAT PLANNING FROM A REAL FOOL WITH NO, NONE, ZIP, NADA MILITARY KNOWLEDGE!!!!!!! HE WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL SOONER THAN LATER.

    Unbelievable. . . .



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    What is wrong with this picture?
    The picture is of the five nuclear carriors.
    Just like Battleship Row, Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941.


    This picture was taken the other day in Norfolk. The Obama Administration ordered 5 nuclear carriers into harbor for "routine" (?) inspections. Heads of the Navy were flabbergasted by the directive. NORFOLK, VA. (February 8, 2013). The first time since WWII that five aircraft carriers were docked together.


    USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69), USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77), USS Enterprise (CVN 65), USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75), and USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) are all in port at Naval Station Norfolk, Va., the world’s largest naval station.

    Sources stated that this breached a long standing military protocol in the Navy meant to avoid massive enemy strike on major US forces.

    (U.S. Navy photo by Chief Mass Communication Specialist Ryan J. Courtade/Released)
     
  2. CharlieAMA

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    The Abraham Lincoln was in to be refueled, but will not be because of the sequester deal. I read that on NewsMax. It is hard to believe that they have all of these in the docks at the same time. This looks bad to me.
     
  3. Stl Flyn

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    Damn, I would be curious to see this order, and who it was from.

    Though it may not be smart, I think nowadays it may be a little harder to repeat history, as far as Pearl Harbor anyway. I would bet they are not all there right now, and were not there for long. That would be really idiotic.

    Welcome back Bulge. Glad to see you back.
     
  4. GunDr

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    Don't worry, the gov't has a handle on it.


    CAMBRIDGE — America’s top military officer in charge of monitoring hostile actions by North Korea, escalating tensions between China and Japan, and a spike in computer attacks traced to China provides an unexpected answer when asked what is the biggest long-term security threat in the Pacific region: climate change.


    Admiral Samuel Locklear-"Probably the most likely thing that is going to happen... that will cripple the security environment, probably more likely than the other scenarios we all often talk about."

    Locklear continued: "People are surprised sometimes, [but] you have the real potential here in the not-too-distant future of nations displaced by rising sea level.


    http://bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/03/09/admiral-samuel-locklear-commander-pacific-forces-warns-that-climate-change-top-threat/BHdPVCLrWEMxRe9IXJZcHL/story.html
     
  5. j2jake

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    Word has it that this is a good job of Photo Shop. Two of those carriers are West Coast based. Jake
     
  6. SF SGM

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    The Lincoln was in to be refueled? How long will a nuc carrier go before it needs to be refueled? Leaded or unleaded rods?

    Van
     
  7. Auctioneer

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    Th Pearl Harbor ships and Pearl Harbor airport. Both compacted things together and then became easy targets. DAMN why don't people learn?
     
  8. JT 27

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    Our government his filled with fools.
     
  9. Shipbuilder

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    This is indeed a problem but perhaps not as much as you think.

    Nuclear Carriers are refueled every 25 years. USS Abrham Lincoln (CVN 72) was supposed to go in to Newport News Feb 14 for her refueling. She did not because of lack of funding , not due to Sequestration but there was no Federal budget approved for 2013 so we are operating on a continuing resolution,which means no money for USS Lincoln unless Congress acts.

    USS Enterprise was taken out of service late in 2012, she is out of fuel and being stripped down after 51 years of service. She is scheduled to go in to Newport News for preparationfor scrapping early next year. As taxpayers we got our money and then some out of Big E.

    The third ship in the picture is not a nuclear carrier, but an Amphibious Assaul ship, used for USMC hover craft, Helos and Harrier jump jets.

    The other two are active Nimitz class CVNs one in work up for deployement and one in postr deployment stand down and maintenance.

    It is indeed rare to see this many there at one time, however it has happened in the past once or twice.

    At the end of WW 11 we had over 100 Aircraft Carriers, now we have 10.

    You cant see it in the photograph but there is a small boat force protection line about 300 yards off of the ships. Inside that the 19 year old will use deadly force.There is also an air cover watch that I assure you is a lot more effective than Pearl Harbor in 1941.

    Having said all that this is not the situation that those of us that work on ships for a living like to see. It is a direct result of the failure of our governemnet to fund what they need to fund.Additionally we are getting ready to cut the hours of the Civil Service employees who plan, execute and oversee this work by 20%.

    This situation is indeed dumb,complain to your Congressman and Senator

    Jim
     
  10. CharlieAMA

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    Our new DHS Delta Strike Force, with 7000 new ARs and 1.6 bill. bullets will save us from any disaster. Yea, right.
     
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    Jim,

    Have the rules changed under operating under a CRA? When we were under a CRA, we could obligate up to 80% of the previous FY budget allowance. So, if this is still true, then the Navy could still fuel the Lincoln as the fueling would have to been in their budget but they made a choice yo use the funds elsewhere.

    Van
     
  12. Shipbuilder

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    Van: I am not a budget expert so Iam not sure if the CRA is 80% or not.

    Navy ships and major overhauls and nuclear refuelings are funded out of what is called SCA money. These are dollars congress speciffically appropriates for new construction or nuclear refueling of a ship. If that cost escalates for any reason the Navy must go back to congress for additional funds.They are unable to e3ffectively do that under Continuing Resol;utions or Sequestration

    The Navy also has the option of taking funds from "Operation and Maintenace " (OMN) accounts. This is the annual appropriation for operation and general maintenance of the fleet.

    The problem they run in to is that it is very difficult to forcast the exact needs of a carrier until you get it in dry dock and open it up. For example tank work on a carrier is huge and as we have been operating the ships in the Persian Gulf's warmer water there has been much more corrosion than expected, hence more cost.

    This probleem could be alleviated somewhat if the Navy were allowed to move money between accounts, but they are prohibited by law from doing that.

    I will tell you that I have never seen them quite as paralyzed as they are now. I am sure there are other areas of government that are facing similar problems.

    I have been working on carriers for 51 years, the past 30 in pretty senior positions, both in public and private shipyards and now as a consultant to the Navy. I have never seen anything quite like what is going on now.

    These are magnificent ships and unless you have served on one or ridden one out chasing and killing bad guys you can not imagine their effectiveness. To have them sitting idle at the pier is disgusting.

    Jim
     
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    Jim,
    Thanks for the information. I am quite familiar with not being able to move funds from one FACSAC to another. Sometimes it would give another meaning to creative financing.

    The 80% is still in use under a CRA. Maintenance costs are indeed the hardest to forecast especially when you are trying to forecast budgets up to 5 years out. I still find it hard to fathom that refueling a nuclear carrier would not be in both short term and near term budgets. Perhaps someone is following the CINC directive that budget cuts would be made in the most public areas. Just my thoughts.

    Thanks to you for keeping those magnificent ship going.

    Van
     
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