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Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by pakk, Jul 7, 2012.

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  1. pakk

    pakk Member

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    Over the years, I've done a lot of online trading. Recently, I've done more gun and gun related trading. Paypal saves time and protects both parties. Yes at a cost, but it is a service.

    The online gun world seems to dislike paypal. Why?
     
  2. chipdaddy

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    I use Paypal all the time, wish more gun related products could be purchased through Paypal. It's the ease of the transaction that I'm interested in not their views. Jerry
     
  3. Ted K.

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    I have never understood the PayPal service.

    If a seller says he shipped a gun, but the buyer says he never got it, what does PayPal do?

    Or if the Seller says the gun is 98% and the buyer says it's all scratched up, what then?

    Or the buyer says he paid for an SX-1 but what he got was an SX-2 (or some similar situation, where the difference can't readily be discerned from a photo)?

    Ted K.
     
  4. pakk

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    If the item does not come as described, the buyer has the option to return the item. If the seller does not cooperate, the buyer provides proof of return. Then paypal will refund the buyer and deal with the seller.
     
  5. Gunn

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    Paypal's own web site says no guns, ammo or certain gun parts. Gunbroker people have had a lot of problems with paypal. Tim
     
  6. pakk

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    I've never read that. That would explain a lot though.
     
  7. Joe Potosky

    Joe Potosky Well-Known Member

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    What is PayPal’s policy on transactions that involve firearms?


    We don’t allow PayPal members to buy or sell any kind of firearm, whether it’s in working order or not. The same goes for certain firearm parts and ammunition.


    For example, using PayPal, you can’t buy or sell:


    •Any firearm, including rifles, shotguns, and handguns, whether they’re for sport and recreation, collectibles, or curio or relic firearms.


    •Firearm parts, including but not limited to receivers and frames, silencers, and kits designed to modify guns so that they fire automatically. High capacity magazines, multi-burst trigger activators, and camouflaging firearm containers are other items in this category.


    •Ammunition, including propellants like gunpowder or blank ammunition; ammunition or cartridge cases; and primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for any firearm.


    Stun gun sales are allowed for U.S. residents, but only if the transaction is permitted by law in both the buyer's and seller's jurisdictions. (PayPal account holders outside the U.S. can’t buy or sell stun guns.) Before they complete a sale, U.S. sellers must make sure that the transaction is legal in both locations.


    Related items that you can buy and sell using PayPal include paintball guns, blank guns, and air-soft guns, as long as such transactions are legal in the applicable jurisdiction. All of these items must display the markings required by law, must not be convertible to shoot a lethal projectile, and can’t include blank ammunition.


    https://www.paypal.com/webapps/helpcenter/article/?currentIssueID=38957&m=SRE


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    Prohibited Activities

    You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

    1. violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.


    2. relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, (c) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (d) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods (e) items that promote hate, violence, racial intolerance, or the financial exploitation of a crime, (f) items that are considered obscene, (g) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (h) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (i) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (j) ,certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.


    3. relate to transactions that (a) show the personal information of third parties in violation of applicable law, (b) support pyramid or ponzi schemes, matrix programs, other "get rich quick" schemes or certain multi-level marketing programs, (c) are associated with purchases of annuities or lottery contracts, lay-away systems, off-shore banking or transactions to finance or refinance debts funded by a credit card, (d) are for the sale of certain items before the seller has control or possession of the item, (e) are by payment processors to collect payments on behalf of merchants, (f), are associated with the sale of traveler's checks or money orders, (h) involve currency exchanges or check cashing businesses, or (i) involve certain credit repair, debt settlement services, credit transactions or insurance activities.


    4. involve the sales of products or services identified by government agencies to have a high likelihood of being fraudulent.

    5.violate applicable laws or industry regulations regarding the sale of (a) tobacco products, or (b) prescription drugs and devices.

    6. involve gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, horse or greyhound racing, lottery tickets, other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill (whether or not it is legally defined as a lottery) and sweepstakes unless the operator has obtained prior approval from PayPal and the operator and customers are located exclusively in jurisdictions where such activities are permitted by law.
     
  8. skeet_man

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    If you use paypal to pay for a firearm, and the deal goes south, Paypal WILL NOT help you.

    Paypal doesn't not allow its service to be used for firearms, as well as some other gun related items (pretty much if you can't sell it on ebay, you can't use paypal for it).

    If you choose to ignore these rules (they are a private company and can make whatever rules they see fit), then you do so at your own peril.

    If paypal gets wind that you used their service to pay for a gun, you and the recipients paypal accounts will be suspended or more likely terminated permanently, and the funds can be held in limbo indefinitely.

    They will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for you if the deal goes south.
     
  9. short shucker

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    Never use paypal for anything gun related other than stocks, or shooting apparel. If you can't sell it on ebay then you can't use paypal and be protected. There is a service similar to paypal called gunpal that was created just for firearms transactions.

    On a personal note, if I can't buy an item on here with a personal check or money order, then I won't buy it. I've accepted personal checks for nearly every item I've sold on here and have had no issues. You can use the many tools this site has to offer and check out the interested party. Never put an email address in the posts so you can verify who you are communicating with.

    ss
     
  10. BAD 303

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    Private companies like paypal that make a stance regarding firearms should NOT be patroniozed by gun owners. If they don't want my business i do my best to not give it to them for any reason. Their choice and mine to accomodate them.
     
  11. skeeljc

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    There is no substitute for honesty and integrity in a firearm transaction.

    I accept personal checks in transactions under $300.00. If someone wants to screw me I am just going to loose. I accept that. In thirty years of selling via the Internet I have never been taken. Shooters are honest people.

    For firearms transactions I insist on a cashier's check unless I know the person. They send the check. I ship the gun when I receive the check. When they receive the gun and are satisfied I deposit the cashier's check. If they are not satisfied they return the gun and I return the cashier's check after I get the gun back.

    I like Gunbroker because they rate the buyer and the seller.

    I do not like PayPal because of their fee to receive money. I don't like their anti-gun policy. That comes from eBay.

    Jim Skeel<BR>
    P/W Dealer/Distributor
     
  12. skeet_man

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    RE: Gunpal

    Read the online horror stories about people not being able to access their money for VERY long periods of time. There have been literally thousands of complaints related to gunpal, a simple google search will bring them up. Doesn't look like all the issues have been resolved, and in fact, it was investigated on 2010 for being a possible Ponzi scheme. I would stay as far away from Gunpal as possible.
     
  13. Calkidd

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    So from what I understand because PayPal does not accept transactions of firearms that makes them "anti gun?" Where in their policy does it say they stand for anti gun? Have you thought that just maybe they do not want to hassle with it?
     
  14. BAD 303

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    Paypal and E-bay are quite clear about being anti-gun. And i won't support them if i can avoid it. What "hassle" is involved in a gun sale that is not involved in a diamond sale? Or car sale?
     
  15. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Let's see... A company bans LEGAL FIREARMS AND FIREARMS PARTS TRANSACTIONS from using their service for no good reason and you don't think that makes them anti-gun?
     
  16. sernv99

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    You can avoid the surcharge from Paypal transactions if you have the buyer "gift" the money to you.....but as others have said, if Paypal gets wind of any transaction in violation of their policy, they will freeze your funds. Additionally, Paypal customer service is located in a foreign county. As with most customer service centers I have dealed with in the past that are located outside the U.S., they will not help you and they just read from a "script" to make you go away.

    I avoid selling stuff on ebay because they want to make money off of you twice: once for the ebay fees and the second time when they force you to pay/accept Paypal. ebay owns Paypal so you end up paying ebay twice for a single transaction.
     
  17. Calkidd

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    Do they have an agenda of banning guns? Do they support those groups who are truly anti gun? Do they expressly advertise being anti gun or is it just a policy they have?

    Bryan
     
  18. Hap MecTweaks

    Hap MecTweaks Well-Known Member

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    I hate contributing to ANY company that would use a portion of that money to ban firearms and directly violate out constitution!! That's like paying the fox to guard your hen house?? Dumb move Maynard!!

    Hap
     
  19. Calkidd

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    Hap, that is my question. Does paypal and ebay actually contribute to the efforts to ban guns? To simply state they are "anti-gun" or support the efforts of banning guns just because they have a policy to not allow the transactions of firearms seem narrowed minded.

    Bryan
     
  20. 1oldtimer

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    I have done thousands of dollars in business with Ebay-Paypal. They are now protecting the buyer instead of the seller. They have held up my payments from buyers for a couple of weeks at a time. The combined fees cost me approx. 12% of the selling price. I am going to discontinue them.
    Clyde
     
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