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Pat trap throwing uneven targets

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Outdoors Junkie, Mar 20, 2013.

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  1. Outdoors Junkie

    Outdoors Junkie TS Member

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    Our pat trap has started throwing birds that are not level. Any suggestions? We have changed the throwing arm, the brush , new rubber tension bands. Has anyone else ran into this? When the birds come out they are not flying even like they should. Any ideas would be appreciated.
     
  2. Harv Shell

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    Push the target finger forward to raise the right target, pull it back to lower the right target. Just a little, like 1/16" at a time. The only way to adjust the left target is raise or lower the machine. Harv
     
  3. Outdoors Junkie

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    Thanks guys ill try that . Our birds are white flyer that's what we have always thrown.
     
  4. Oregunner

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    That rear finger only affects the evenness of doubles targets. I would also check the height of the throwing arm over the plate, and make sure the throwing arm rubber is scuffed up a bit, so it grabs the target and gives it a good spin. Mark
     
  5. Dr.Longshot

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    Is the base level, has the weather mainly rain caused settling or freezing and thawing, put a 4 foot level across the base first, trap may need to be shimmed.

    Gary Bryant
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  6. Old Cowboy

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    Are you throwing singles, or doubles? If you're throwing doubles Harv is correct, OTOH if you're throwing singles the "finger" has no effect on the target.
     
  7. Bvr Tail

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    We have had small bits of broken targets get stuck in and around the arm rubber, and this will effect the flight, making them slant one way or the other.

    This condition keeps the target from properly riding on the rubber, and not spinning like it should.

    You said you changed the rubber, but check for small pieces stuck in areas of the arm.

    Just sayin'
     
  8. Ajax

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    Pat traps have an adjustable throwing plate. The throwing plate comes from the factory with an approximately 1/4 inch raise on the left side(as you're standing in front of it)The base is the only thing that should be level.

    The throwing deck can be raised by loosening the large nuts behind the Gray control box and moving the throwing deck up on the left side until the target is level. Some brand of targets will need more adjustment and you may have to shim the left side of the base. White Flyers should throw fine with out much adjustment.


    Ajax
     
  9. Outdoors Junkie

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    Thanks again we throw both double and singles , singles are the worst. I noticed the plate was not level . So this is supposed to be that way? Shimming may be our next option. The rubber is scuffed up we did that when we put the new arm on it.
     
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    Sorry guys, I ASSumed he meant doubles targets. Ajax has the answer for singles as long as the arm is right and scuffed, which he confirmed. Harv
     
  11. Star4Ever

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    The condition of the rubber on the throwing arm can effect the flight of the bird. If it is really pitted, chucks taken out due to broken bird pieces and embedded fragments can all
    bump the bird on ejection causing weird flight.

    Also the brush has a great deal to do with the spin and direction of the bird. Just loosen the brush and turn it 180 degrees, then re tighten to fingertip tightness.

    Winds across the direct face of the trap house can effect the flight early which amplifies later in the bird's flight. Such as a curl.

    Art
     
  12. jrb100

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    Call pat trap for help.He wll figure it out before you end up wit more problems.
     
  13. 320090T

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    As Gary stated: do not level the throwing plate, just the base. The machine has 1/4 inch of tilt built in it.

    Also, sometimes in the morning the sun will make the targets look tilted, but they aren't.
     
  14. higun

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    I second what 320090t said.

    At our club the rising sun makes the targets appear tilted.

    Most people don't believe you but it is true. I tell them to come back at noon and look for themselves.
     
  15. Ajax

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    Some targets need a lot more tilt than the machine has but normally not White Flyers. We throw a brand that has the deck all the way up and 5/8 shims under base on the left side.

    The large nut is in the pillow block bearing on the right side of the back of the control box. I checked today to see if I remembered right. It helps if you have two guys. One to hold the deck in place while the other tightens the nut.

    Good Luck,

    Ajax
     
  16. Barry C. Roach

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    Is there any target "windage" (level or tilt) adjustment for singles targets on the Pat trap, at all? Back in the day, the old 1524X Winchester handset traps had a "finger" that was a true "windage" adjustment for both doubles and singles targets.

    All across the country most trap clubs, that face north, must throw targets through side winds. Usually from the West.

    When faced with a strong west wind the left target will naturally rise. The converse is true for the right target and they want to be driven low.

    With the windage "finger" one could change the tilt of the singles target or level doubles targets. By adjusting it forward a singles target would be tipped downward on it's left side. This would help keep the west wind from "cupping" under the target and driving in upward. At the same time it would also make the air go under the right side of the target and help keep it from dropping off.

    If the Pat Trap doesn't have an effective "windage" adjustment for singles targets, they should.
     
  17. Shooting Coach

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    Make sure the arm is not bent. A trapper hung the CVR cord on a machine and when cocked, the arm caught the cord and got a slight bend. Not obvious when the arm is on the machine. Uncock and look at the arm. The arm is not real sturdy and is easily damaged.

    Adjusting the level on the plate is definitely a two man job. I use a digital protractor. Some times one must use a little windage to get a straight target.

    Our club is on an old dump sight. After 19 years, the trap houses are still settling, both windage and elevation change.

    Adjusting the plate on a windy day will make shooters cranky.
     
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