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Pat Trap Problems (target breakage)

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by bling 27, Sep 12, 2009.

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  1. bling 27

    bling 27 Member

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    What would be considered a normal amount of target breakage from a trap machine in good working order? Trap at our club will break 15 to 20 targets out of every 125 thrown. Shooters will call for a target and sometimes 4 or 5 will break before a good one comes out. We have it serviced and it will be ok for about a week then its back to breaking targets again. A squad never gets in a rythm on this thing. Is it time for a new one? Wayne
     
  2. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Well-Known Member

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    I would look closer at the targets as you are loading the machine. Not all that long ago the club I belong to had a trailer load of targets that had major breakage problem.

    It showed up as those that were loading the machines started noticing that when you pick a stack. A lot of the the targets between top and bottom targets. Showed signs of cracks and broken targets. I am not saying that this your problem. Before buy a new trap at $7000 plus it might be worth checking.

    Bob Lawless
     
  3. BYRDSHOOTER1

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    Russ is right on, check out the throw arm, make sure it hasn't come loose or if its damaged, then make sure all "o" rings near where the target drops are in good shape, then make sure the roller plates arn't seized up, just pull back on them, they should be tight but move freely. Last but not least check the target brush located just above the target being thrown. If everything checks out and you find nothing wrong just give me a call I will try to walk you though it....


    We've thrown millions and millions of targets off our Pat-Traps we've never had to replace any of them, lots of manitance thou.

    Good Luck, Pat Byrd

    Middletown Sportsmen's Club

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  4. Paladin

    Paladin Well-Known Member

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    What Russ and Pat said.

    If a target vendor problem is ruled out, timing of the target drop onto the elevator, and the condition of the brush that holds the target against the throwing arm needs to be looked at.

    The target should drop onto the elevator at the very top of the elevator travel. If the elevator is on the way down when the target drops, this will cause the target to bounce around somewhat, and not be positioned against the arm correctly, especially if the brush is worn. The trap would need to have the target drop timing corrected by adjusting the roller chain on the sprockets.


    Worn rubber O-rings, or the use of non-Pat Trap O-rings will cause inconsistent target drops, sometimes dropping two targets when set for singles.
     
  5. 320090T

    320090T Well-Known Member

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    Make sure your elevator, the X thing, is going all the way up. Ours came from the factory with a burr on it and when it hung up, the targets went wild or broke. So much for Pat Trap quality control.
     
  6. Big Jack

    Big Jack Well-Known Member

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    Check the condition of the throwing arm lead edge, sometimes just dressing it up with a block & sandpaper will remove the ridges and give it a smooth contact and the target brush must hold the target in position or the arm will break the target when it makes contact especially if the targets have shipping cracks. We very seldom see throwing breakage with the Pat Traps.

    Big Jack
     
  7. mkstephen

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    Check under the 'O'ring roller lever. This is the roller that you turn over for doubles. We had a lot of breakage and kept turning up the spring tension on the roller. This helped briefly.


    Talking to the representative of Rhodeside at the Ohio state shoot he offered the following;


    "Check under the roller lever for target dust and broken pieces. There is not much space between the lever and the frame. This loads up under the lever and impedes the travel causing erratic movement and thus broken targets."


    We found lots of target dust and pieces under the arm. Ours was so compacted that the air hose wouldn't blow it out. We had to dis-assemble it taking the arm out and cleaning under it using a scrapper.


    Works great now. One of our yearly PM's is blowing the dubree out from under this roller lever.


    Michael Stephenson
     
  8. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

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    Pat traps usually never break targets unless they are dirt or something is broken.

    All the above suggestions are right on the money. Watch to see when the target breaks, if it is still whole when the arm hits it is in the wrong position. There is a switch adjustment that stops the arm in the correct place. The target should be right next to the arm, practically touching.


    The big secret here is to watch the machine run and detect the point in the sequence where breakage occurs.

    HM
     
  9. michshooter

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    One problem we experienced was a piece missing from the bottom of the rubber on the arm. The missing piece wasn't visible until we removed the arm. Replacing the arm and CLEANING the machine solved the problem.

    ....Paul
     
  10. bling 27

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    THANK YOU all very much for the help. Greatly appricated. Wayne
     
  11. acss

    acss Well-Known Member Supporting Vendor

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    just had a similiar problem- target brush was the fix
     
  12. Marco Polo

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    Which model is this machine---SW series or G series ??. Each has a few quirks of their own..
     
  13. Allen-MX8

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    All of the above are good suggestions. However, at my club we were using Bio targets and getting a lot of broken ones until we got some sand paper and cleaned the plate real good. Now very few broken targets. Switching back to Pitch targets helps also. It seems that Bios leave a residue on the throw plate that builds up and will cause broken targets.

    Be sure to check the brush as mentioned above.

    Good luck

    Allen
     
  14. Barry C. Roach

    Barry C. Roach Well-Known Member

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    Pat's manual, under 'broken targets' and 'throwing targets too far to the right, says to check the brush. If it is curled away from the leading edge of the target you can turn it aroud 180 degrees, if it hasn't been already, or replace the brush.
     
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    You could have solved the breakage problem with Champion targets too. Inside of every box is a small hammer for the ones that won't break with an ounce and a half of sixes.
     
  16. Kingbang

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    All these suggestions are right on the money. I have a Pat that throws an outlaw right every 12-15 birds. The brush is new,the arm is in the correct spot on the break. Im going to check the singles finger today,without taking the turret off,it appeared to be in the correct position. All the above suggestions were also done.
    Have any of you had this problem?

    Dennis
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  17. BYRDSHOOTER1

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    White Flyer targets are diffently one good answer, we've thrown Remington, Champion (federal), Lawry, and White Flyer.. The only one that gave us problems with breakage was Remington.

    In my opinion, White Flyer is the best target for Trap shooting. Very low Breakage.

    Wayne did you get the trap fixed.....

    Pat
     
  18. BT-99MAX

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    Dennis: We had the same problem with a wild right every now and then. Our Pat Trap is a Model "G" I think. It's the trap with the rubber bands instead of the main spring. The machine was out of time. The small sprocket on top of the hydraulic motor that turns the turret is the culprit. Over many thousands of thrown targets this sprocket would slip or move a little which puts the machine out of time. We hired someone to fix ours and they took the chain apart and moved it a couple of links on this small sprocket. Works fine now, but it will probably move again in another 500,000 targets. We had a little over a half million thrown cycles on the counter when this started.
     
  19. ric3677

    ric3677 Well-Known Member

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    All these great responses and no one has yet to tell you guys that you need to switch to GMV. Hmmmm Maybe there is hope for the forum afterall?

    Rick in Mt.
     
  20. grunt

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    Drill this sprocket and insert a roll pin. This will prevent sprocket from moving.
     
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