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Panetta Warns Israel on Consequences of Iran strik

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  1. mrskeet410

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    Panetta Warns Israel on Consequences of Iran Military Strike

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/18/panetta-to-warn-israel-on-consequences-iran-military-strike/#ixzz1eAUiI72d


    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said ahead of a meeting Friday with Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak that he would warn his Israeli counterpart about the global economic consequences of a military strike on Iran's nuclear program, adding that he still favors sanctions and diplomacy over a strike.

    "To go beyond (sanctions and diplomacy) raises our concerns about the unintended consequences that could result. ... There are going to be economic consequences to that, that could impact not just on our economy but the world economy," Panetta told those travelling with him to Halifax, Canada...


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/18/panetta-to-warn-israel-on-consequences-iran-military-strike/print#ixzz1eAVUzbPW
     
  2. stokinpls

    stokinpls Well-Known Member

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    How does this benefit the Muslim Brotherhood.
     
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  4. Brian in Oregon

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    So... the Obama Administration is embracing Neville Chamberlain diplomacy.

    Yea, we all know how THAT worked out.

    We need Teddy Roosevelt diplomacy.
     
  5. mrskeet410

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    This Neville Chamberlain?

    By Patrick Buchanan -

    In the early morning hours of Sept. 1, 1939, 72 years ago, the German army crossed the Polish frontier.

    On Sept. 3, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, having received no reply to his ultimatum demanding a German withdrawal, declared that a state of war now existed between Great Britain and Germany.

    The empire followed the mother country in. The second world war was on. It would last six years, carry off scores of millions and end with Germany in ruins, half of Europe under Josef Stalin’s rule and the British Empire on the way to collapse.

    Though it may prove to be the mortal wound that brings about the death of the West, most today accept World War II as inevitable, indeed as “the good war.”

    For it is said and believed that Adolf Hitler was not only the incarnation of evil but also out to conquer, first Poland and then Europe and then the world.

    To stop such a monster, one must risk everything.

    Which makes these two sentences in the final chapter of British historian Richard Overy’s new book, “1939: Countdown to War,” riveting:

    “Few historians now accept that Hitler had any plan or blueprint for world conquest. … (R)ecent research has suggested that there were almost no plans for what to do with a conquered Poland and that the vision of a new German empire … had to be improvised almost from scratch.”

    But if Hitler had no “plan or blueprint for world conquest,” this raises perhaps the great question of the 20th century.

    What was Britain’s stake in a Polish-German territorial quarrel to justify a war from which the British nation and empire might never recover?

    How the war came about is the subject of Overy’s book.

    By August 1939, Hitler had come to believe that Polish intransigence over the city of Danzig meant Germany would have to resolve the issue by force. But he desperately did not want a war with Britain like the one in which he had fought from 1914-18.

    To prevent a German-Polish clash from bringing on a European war, however, Hitler had to sever the British-Polish alliance formed the previous spring.

    To split that alliance, Hitler negotiated his own pact with Stalin, a coup that meant any British declaration of war to save Poland would be an utterly futile gesture. But when the Hitler-Stalin pact was announced, spelling Poland’s doom, Britain publicly reaffirmed her commitment to Poland.

    Hitler instantly called off an invasion set for Aug. 26.

    In the last analysis, says Overy, British “honour,” Chamberlain’s honoring of his war guarantee to the Poles, caused Britain to go to war.

    When and why was this commitment given?

    On March 31, 1939, Chamberlain, humiliated by the collapse of his Munich agreement and Hitler’s occupation of Prague, handed, unsolicited, a war guarantee to a Poland then led by a junta of colonels.

    To understand the rashness, the sheer irrationality of this decision, one must understand the issue involved and Britain’s situation in 1939.

    First, the issue: The Polish-German quarrel was over a city, Danzig, most British leaders believed had been unjustly taken from Germany at the end of World War I and ought to be returned.

    The German claim to Danzig was regarded as among the most just claims Germany had from what most agreed by then had been an unjust and vindictive Treaty of Versailles.

    What did the people of Danzig themselves want? Writes Overy:

    “In May 1933, shortly after Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany, Danzig’s National Socialist Party won 38 out of the city’s 72 assembly seats and formed the city government. … By 1936 there was a virtual one-party system. … The strongly nationalist German population agitated in 1939 to come … back home to Germany.”

    In short, the Germans wanted their city back, and the Danzigers wanted to go home to Germany. And most British had no objection.

    Yet Britain backed up Poland’s refusal even to negotiate, and when that led to war, Britain declared war on Poland’s behalf.

    Why did Britain do it?

    After all, the war guarantee was given in response to the destruction of Czechoslovakia, but the Polish colonels had themselves participated in that destruction and seized a slice of Czechoslovakia.

    Second, despite the guarantee, Britain had no plans to come to Poland’s aid. Third, Britain lacked the means to stop Germany. When Hitler bombed Warsaw, British bombers dropped leaflets on Germany.

    If Britain had no ability to save Poland and no plans to save Poland, why encourage the Poles to fight by offering what the British knew was a worthless war guarantee? Why declare a European and world war for a country Britain could not save and a cause, Danzig, in which Britain did not believe, in an Eastern Europe where Britain had no vital interest?

    Said British Foreign Secretary Lord Halifax, “(We must) throw all we can into the scales on the side of law as opposed to lawlessness in Europe.”

    And throw it all in they did. And what became of Poland?

    At Tehran and Yalta, another prime minister, Winston Churchill, ceded Poland to Stalin’s empire, in whose captivity she remained for a half-century.
     
  6. halfmile

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    Once again keet proves his naivete.

    If you keep on with the copy/paste nonsense and don't put it in quotes WITH CREDIT TO THE AUTHOR YOU MIGHT FIND OUT ABOUT THE COPYRIGHT ACT OF 1934 THE HARD WAY.

    Consider yourself warned.

    HM
     
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    I'm gonna tell on you?

    I missed something here.
     
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    HM - Just what did the Copyright Act of 1934 say about the internet?
     
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    Britain forced Germany to invade Poland? LOL
     
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    BO - Did you read the article? What did it say?
     
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    I just got a secret email that keetie may be a pedophile! Tom Rhoads
     
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    We need General Blackjack Pershing diplomacy.......
     
  14. slic lee

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    Skeet-ya did your typical liberal job but its of no value including your thoughts.
    Where, how does a man, no hes not a man hes an it, a thing,a GOFOR
    does a nothing like pinetta a hack a staple office manager, a political noware who went from a floor sweeper, a political tell me where to go,what to do what do I get paid, CIA, Feda, sec of defense has the balls to tell the head of Israel how to protect its people, to go around as if has has some intelligence going to countries, hes on a paid vacation like the Kenyan. Repeating what he says as if it has some meaning is degrading but evidently not to those like you.
    God bless what used to be the united states of america. Lee
     
  15. mrskeet410

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    One sneak attack by Israel won't be sufficient. They'll need a sustained effort to get the job done. That means securing the skies over Iran and defeating the Iranian air defenses. Israel is too far from Iran and doesn't have sufficient resources to do that job.

    A sneak attack will provoke Iran to close the Straights of Hormuz. Don't expect any help from any Muslim nation if the Straights are closed as a result of a sneak attack by Israel.
     
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    She is a parrot, a political expert, a military strategist and an expert on the Middle East- is there no end to this lady's talents?
     
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    The copyright act of 1934 does not recognize the internet. Why would you ask such a stupid question?

    It does, however, cover the use of intellectual property and forbids reproducing of someone else's product for other than your own personal use.

    "(b) The legal or beneficial owner of an exclusive right under a copyright is entitled, subject to the requirements of section 411, to institute an action for any infringement of that particular right committed while he or she is the owner of it. The court may require such owner to serve written notice of the action with a copy of the complaint upon any person shown, by the records of the Copyright Office or otherwise, to have or claim an interest in the copyright, and shall require that such notice be served upon any person whose interest is likely to be affected by a decision in the case. The court may require the joinder, and shall permit the intervention, of any person having or claiming an interest in the copyright."

    When you copy/paste material authored by someone else you should use quotes and give credit.

    When you play a cassette tape or CD in your bar for the patrons enjoyment (without a license)you are subject to a fine. In fact, if a piano player uses copyrighted sheet music you are also subject to the same rule. If you scan and print someone elses material you may not gain from doing so. Posting another's work on the internet without giving credit may or may not be legal.

    So the resident copy/paste genius is in an area that may have consequences. A very low probability of course. Posting a link is a different story.

    Using the copy/paste procedure without enclosing it in quotes and giving credit to the originator is something you should rightfully avoid doing. I think this was discussed reviously on this forum.

    HM
     
  18. mrskeet410

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    "The copyright act of 1934 does not recognize the internet."

    Glad you figured that out.
     
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