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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by clayshooter555, Nov 18, 2012.

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  1. clayshooter555

    clayshooter555 TS Member

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    Here are two first person reasons why there should be absolutely no tax increases without matching cuts to entitlements.

    The first one is from a car dealer of a close friend and the next one is from my neighbor. Names and companies have been scrubbed.

    And I would have to guess that many of you have first experience on this subject as well.

    Experience number One:

    I can almost vouch for the veracity of this claim by telling you we see it continuously at our company. It primarily shows up as Unemployment. Since the limit on unemployment checks was extended to 99 weeks, we have seen a huge increase in the number of people who come to work for us, work the requisite length of time, abandon their jobs with no notification to us, and collect unemployment for 99 weeks. When we have followed up on some of these people, we have found them working under the table to augment their unemployment income. And this does not include the other forms of entitlement income identified below. We are now considering reducing the pay of all of our employees by 10% to pay for the Unemployment Insurance. I suppose there will be a lot of discussion about the correctness of us taking this measure, but why should we pay for employees whose sole objective in accepting a position with us was to work the minimum length of time required, abandon their job, and collect unemployment at our expense for 99 weeks.

    Experience Number Two:

    True story yesterday at the dealership. "I'll try to make this as short and to the point as I can. One of my salesmen here had a woman in his office yesterday wanting to lease a brand new Focus. As he was reviewing her credit application with her when he noticed she was on social security disability. He said to her you don't look like you're disabled and unable to work. She said well I'm really not. I could work if I wanted to, but I make more now than I did when I was working and got hurt (non-disabling injury). She said the gov't sends her $1500.00 a month in 1 check. And she gets $700.00 a month on an EBT card (food stamps), and $800.00 a month for rent. Oh yeah, and 250 minutes free on her phone. That is just south of $3500.00 a month. When she was working, she was taking home about $330.00 per week. Do the math and then ask yourself why should she go back to work. If you multiply that by millions of people, you start to realize the scope of the problem we face as a country. Once the socialists have 51% of the population in that same scenario, we are finished. The question is when do we cross that threshold if we haven't already, and there are not enough people working to pay enough taxes to support the non-working people? Riots?? Be prepared to protect your homes. She didn't lease the Focus here because the dealer down the road beat our deal by $10.00/month. Glad to know she is so frugal with her hard earned money."

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  2. EuroJoe

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    I think the word ends with a G
     
  3. crusha

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    So, are you saying people can "abandon" their jobs...then collect unemployment? Why wouldn't the company fight it?


    I smell a rat. Is this a hoax? I don't disagree with the sentiment, but there just seems to be a lot of reasoning gaps in this.
     
  4. clayshooter555

    clayshooter555 TS Member

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    Yea, this is a hoax all right but the hoax is on US!

    Probably like you I sat on my couch believing that this kind of stuff was not possible. Heck, I never owned my own business so never had any experience with stuff like this. And as a working man would have never tried to cheat the system.

    But I am no longer in the America I thought I was living in.

    My friend who told me owns a business in a deeply Blue State. Here is what happens: the worker quits and files an unemployment claim saying they were treated unfairly. Employer appeals and they appear in front of a hearing examiner. In majority of cases worker is given unemployment benefits.

    His most outrageous case that he lost was worker quit and claimed the schedule was too difficult for him. The work day was the typical 9am to 5:30pm with a half hour off for lunch. And the examiner awarded unemployment benefits!

    As this costs my neighbor too much in terms of time and effort that he no longer fights these claims. He says he is tired of fighting odds that are stacked against him as an employer.

    So you can believe it or not. But it is happening.

    And I believe that the scale of these frauds will continue to increase.

    Anyone else out there own their own business had have this happen to them? Maybe it depends on the state you live in?
     
  5. 391 shooter

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    Pat, what is a SIL?
     
  6. stokinpls

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    Probably Sister-In-Law. Not to be confused with SOL. (Sister outlaw). ;-)

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  7. Johnny

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    One cannot just quit a job and automatically get unemployment. There has to be a "good cause"
     
  8. 12ShotTwo

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    So do you guys believe everybody on disability are freeloaders??

    My wife Jeannie, is disabled after 30 years of contributing to social security. We have paid a small fortune in medical bills and surgeries over the last 7 years trying to relieve her 24X7 pain(and continue to). She would love nothing more than to become pain free and work again. I am very familar with the process to attain SS disability and what her doctors had to do to get this status. Also the goverment reserves the right to revisit the status when they choose.

    I just don't think its fair to leave the impression that its easy to get disability, it isn't. Joe
     
  9. John Galt

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    Since the number of people on disability has skyrocketed, one can assume that the process isn't overly difficult if one wants to cheat the system by claiming things like depresseion or back pain which can't be disproven.
     
  10. 12ShotTwo

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    Your wrong!
     
  11. Setterman

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    Most fraudulant disability claims are injuries that occur at home or somewhere else, and claimed as work injuries so Workman's comp picks up the tab.

    Hard to prove, and hard to disprove especially if not contested immediately.
     
  12. 12ShotTwo

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    Social Security Disabliliy cannot be granted simply by a claim, it requires your doctor or doctors to independently submit evidence and an independent doctor's interview and verification representing SS. This is what my wife went through. The process takes about a year if the disability is easy to prove. Joe
     
  13. John Galt

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    So just how do you know that the number of people on disability hasn't skyrocketed? The facts say otherwise but you can believe whatever fantasy you choose.
     
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