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OT Why is Social security called an INTITLEMENT?

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Big Az Al, Feb 17, 2011.

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  1. Big Az Al

    Big Az Al Well-Known Member

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    The other day I heard a politician saying

    ""THAT INTITLEMENTS LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY and MECICAID" have to be done away with!"

    I am sitting there thinking, HOW IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE ALREADY PAID INTO FOR OVER THIRTY YEARS AN INTITLEMENT???????????????????

    and I will have to pay into for 20 more before I can draw from it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    SO HOW CAN THAT BE AN INTITLEMENT?

    I thougth that something LIKE welfare that you get just for being!!! was a INTITLE-(*(&^&*(%^&()^(_&^()_)-MENT

    Al Lingham

    sorry for the caps but I really to entend to scream/yell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  2. neofight

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    Entitlements is not a dirt word. It simply is something we, as wage earners, tax payers, etc. are entitled to. Not to be confused with welfare, gov't rescue programs. We paid into it, we are entitled to it, it's that simple.
     
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    I`m Enjoying my Entitlements . It`s not a dirt word . I`ve paid in for 55 years before taking advantage . Don`t you think I am Entitled to it ??
     
  4. likes-to-shoot

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    Social Security wouldn't be in trouble if the politicians hadn't raped it over the years. Now we suffer for their inept conduct.
     
  5. Hawk46

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    In my case it's because they were "entitled" to take far more from my paycheck before I retired than they will ever repay me before I die.
    But that's the entitlement they want to keep. The entitlement they want to end is the one where I'm "entitled" to get at least a fair share of it back. Hope this explains it correctly.
     
  6. wireguy

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    Sorry children, once you turned your money over to the government it became theirs, not yours. The word entitlement is THEIR word designed to make you believe they would behave honorably with respect to the money they stold from you. If you expect the government to behave respectfully with your money I would like to ask a logical question. If they were honorable, why would they be stealing your money?
     
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    Big Al, don't forget that whatever you paid into it your employer had to match for you. Soooo it is your money that you are entitled to. Bulge.
     
  8. Big Az Al

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    OK so the scumbag politicians are spinning what we have paid for into something that they want to call a welfare program.

    So how can we force a term limit and no retirement beny's on them? could that get their attention?!

    Al
     
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    OK so the scumbag politicians are spinning what we have paid for into something that they want to call a welfare program.

    So how can we force a term limit and no retirement beny's on them? could that get their attention?!

    Al
     
  10. Hawk46

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    There are no easy solutions to the SS problem, but one issue is that many, many people are drawing disability benefits that begin well before they were retirement eligible. I think there are a couple ways to combat this. One, is to limit the lifetime payout of disability benefits to the amount that is paid in by the average wage earner, or that has been paid in by the disabled person, whichever is greater. No more life long disability payments. If payments are exhausted prior to reaching normal SS retirement age, payments can be made at a lower rate from, and factored in to state welfare budgets. This continues to provide some subsistence to the disabled without raping the SS system. While there are a fair number of bogus claims, most truly are disabled and need assistance. There is also a way that disability insurance can be offered by insurers and regulated separately by states to ensure minimal premiums at only a small but reasonable profit. Those who purchase disability insurance can then minimize their risk of becoming disabled and having to worry about money running out from SS. Secondly, I'm not a big fan of raising the eligibility age to 70, but increasing the penalty for early retirement should be looked at again. I realize it sounds socialist (isn't SS a social program?), but it seems that those who are able to retire early are those who are less in need of SS funding. There are other potential solutions (like the government keeping their grubby hands off this money), but I'm already too wordy in this post. Our leaders just need to think a little. That may be asking too much???
     
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    Hawk46, Our leaders think!!!! Are you serious? LOL, Bulge.
     
  12. GBatch_25

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    Oh, puleeeeez. The word is "entitlement", but you all probly knew that, right? Tell me you did.

    It's called a intitlement 'cause that word POLLS better than anything else.

    It polls better than an earned benefit.

    It polls better than earned retirement benefit.

    It polls better than forced savings plan.

    I could go on, but that would be a waste of time.

    Gene Batchelar
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    As person who was self employed most of my adult life, I had to pay double what the average employee did. I had to pay both sides of social security.

    I honestly believe there should be a means test as far as social security is concerned. If you really don't need what your benefits would have been, let the gov't refund what you've paid in to it when you reach age 65.

    This way the system may have a chance. As it stands right now the system is doomed.

    Phil Berkowitz
     
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    All set to get my first SS check next month. Good Lord willing; I plan to keep working two more years and call it quits at 68.


    SS could be fixed pretty quickly if the Senate and Congress were taken off their golden plan and forced to rely on SS for their own future. The same could be said about health care.
     
  15. Hawk46

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    Phil, that may be another part of the solution, but the test needs to be very fair to avoid it being too socialistic. Success (financial) in life should not completely disqualify someone from SS payments, as these folks contribute a lion's share to the program during their working lives.

    Jay, I'm with you 100% on your post. The pensions politicians have bestowed upon themselves is criminal, including needing to serve only short terms to qualify. They live the good life in this country for sure, and it's time citizens stand against these "politician entitlements."
     
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    The biggest problem with SS is that the Politicans & Public Employees have excluded themselves if they where depending on SS for retirement we would get at least twice as much as we are now. If SS is good enough for the working productive taxpayers surely it is good enough for them also maybe we would be able control their outrageous pensions that are bankrupting us.
     
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    Problem with the unfunded "entitlement" programs, no matter how well intentioned at the time, once people start using them(food stamps, section 8, aid to dependents, medicaid & many more that most of us aren't even aware of)they,the programs, can't just be stopped without hurting a lot of people! Don't take my comments wrong, I don't like all the 'freebies' that people receive, that you and had to work for! Before any new "entitlements" are passed, Congress should be required to fund them without borrowing the money!

    That will be the day!!!

    Just one example that happened to me. In the early 70's my Union went on strike, the welfare people showed up at the Union hall with applications for assistance. I started to fill out the one for food stamps but I didn't qualify! I had money in the bank, my wife worked, we had two cars and a home. When I mentioned this to a good friend he said Oh, you don't list any of that, they will give you the food stamps and if they check anything all they do is stop giving you the stamps! And they usually don't check!!

    I didn't get any food stamps!
     
  18. Big Az Al

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    GENELEROY! YOU JUSY NAILED THE ROOT CAUSE OF ALL THIS!

    Socail securtiy is something that is PAID into, or A bought and paid for fund!

    Welfare is NOT, not paid into by those that receive it!

    THAT IS why I started this thread.

    Those of US in the USA that reach retirement age and have worked for the most part all most all of our lifes..........

    Have or will have EARNED, BOUGHT and PAID for that check!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    DO NOT THROW welfare into the same catagory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So while SS is classed as an "ENTITLEMENT" It is an EARNED Entitlement!

    So let US Force the Politicals to call it an EARNED-TITLEMENT! because that sure enough is what it is!

    Maybe if enough of us force this through we will get the &^(()*^*(^_^^ politico's attention!!!!!!!!!!!!

    AL LINGHAM
     
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    because the dumbacrats think everything you earn is theirs, and they can distribute as they want!!


    tony
     
  20. wolfram

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    It really is an entitlement to the many benefit collectors that really haven't paid much into it.

    For the rest of us it is probably just a really bad long term investment.
     
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