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OT Some Civil War history

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Phil Kiner, Dec 14, 2011.

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  1. Phil Kiner

    Phil Kiner Well-Known Member

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    Worth the watch

    http://www.schooltube.com:80/video/a088eb35599e46dd5552/Civil-war-veteran-soldier-footage-captured-between-1913-and-1938
     
  2. mrskeet410

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    Listen closely as the old foes shake hands across the stone fence and you will hear a real rebel yell. It's different from what you probably expect.
     
  3. Auctioneer

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    That was a good video.

    History has tried to say that blacks NEVER fought WITH or FOR the South. About 1/3 or so way through the video you will see the blacks lined up. Those who were on the north side in blue and those on the south side in GRAY. If there were no blacks fighting on the south side then why are there blacks in gray?

    Question to posters here. What year was the last Civil War widow die?
     
  4. Skrap Shooter

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    The last-known Union widow, Gertrude Janeway, died in Jan. 2003 in Tennessee. John Janeway joined the Union army in 1864 and was briefly a POW at Andersonville. The couple married in 1927, after waiting three years until Gertrude turned 18. John was 81.

    The person thought to be the last-known Confederate widow, Alberta Martin, was born Dec, 4, 1906, and died at age 97 in Alabama on May 31, 2004. In 1927, at age 21, she married William Jasper Martin, then 81. Martin joined the Confederate army in May 1864. Upon her husband's death, she married his grandson from his first marriage.

    The publicity surrounding Alberta Martin's death prompted relatives of Maudie Celia Hopkins of Arkansas to reveal that the 89-year-old was in fact the last civil war widow. Hopkins married 86-year-old William Cantrell on Feb. 2, 1934, when she was 19. She did so to escape poverty, but kept quiet about the unusual marriage, “I thought people would gossip about it.” Cantrell, who served in the Virginia Infantry, supported her with his Confederate pension of “$25 every two or three months” until his death in 1937. Hopkins has outlived three other husbands.
     
  5. Porcupine

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    I recently read 'General Lee's Army' by Joseph T. Glatthaar. It was a detailed account of the Army of Northern Virginia during the Civil War, very well researched. The author states that General Lee and Jefferson Davis agreed (in 1864) that arming Blacks for the Confederate cause was necessary, but it was a hard sell among the soldiers, who increasingly questioned their motives for fighting, and began to desert in droves. It wasn't until the Spring of 1865 before any Blacks (both free and slave) were actually deployed, and by then it was too little, too late.

    I recommend the book highly.

    LA in MA
     
  6. snkypete

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    Great video.

    On the Union side, in July 1862, the first black troops of the Civil War were
    organized by General David Hunter. Known as the 1st South Carolina Regiment,
    they were later designated as the 33rd Regiment United States Colored Troops.
    Approximately 186,000 black soldiers served in the Union Army, 4,300 were
    casualties.
     
  7. SF SGM

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    If you are interested, Google, "Echoes of Blue and Grey". This is a great video about both sides veterans. Video of Gettysburg reunion and several of the United Confederate Veterans(UCV) and the Grand Army of the Republic(GAR) reunions. Even has R.E.Lee's nephew Fitzuh, marching through Havanna during the Spanish American War in the uniform of the United States Army.

    As far as blacks serving, they served on both sides. As far as reunions go and both the GAR and UCV allowed blacks to be members but the GAR would not allow the United States Colored Troops(USCT's) to attend their reunions while the UCV allowed black Confederates to be members and to attend their reunions. In fact, several former black Confederates held office in UCV camps.

    Confederate General Patrcik Cleburne wrote an in depth letter to President Davis wanting to arm both former slaves and slaves after Lincoln allowed blacks to fight for the north. The letter put Cleburne in the out and later he was killed at the Battle of Franklin. LTG Nathan B. Forest also had numerous blacks in his cav division..

    As you all are probably aware of, their could be no black officers in the U.S. Army and they had to be commanded by white officers. Some say their was a black Confederate officer, navy in fact, that worked the pilot boat out of Charleston harbor.

    There is a letter written by Captain Winston Stephens, 2nd Fl. Cav. to his wife the night of the Battle of Olustee, stating that a USCT prisoner was beaten to death by a black Confedeate soldier after the battle, the largest in Florida.

    Van
     
  8. Hauxfan

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    Phil, thanks for posting that clip.

    It does show the absurdity of war....of which we are all affected with at times in our life.

    We hate it, yet it is sometimes necessary and it sometimes gets thrust at us.

    We do what we can and what we must do.

    Hauxfan!
     
  9. mrskeet410

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    Porcupine - Did you read in that book that as the Army of Northern Virginia retreated before the Army of the Potomac in the spring and summer of 1864, they were falling back into entrenchments dug by slave?

    And did you read that the Army of the Potomac was greatly assisted by former slaves scouting for the Union and providing them with intelligence about their former oppressors and and scouting?
     
  10. blade819

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    SF SGM - I thank you for those facts.

    blade819
     
  11. lots of 24's

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    Very cool! Thanks for sharing it!
     
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    Too bad most people think that was a war based on the issue of slavery - it wasn't. We probably want to put that spin on it to feel better about things but to be sure it was about the same thing most wars are about greed and opression. And no I am not a son of the south or anything like that.
     
  13. mrskeet410

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    Greed of slave-owners and oppression of the slaves. People do not fight civil wars over tariff rates and the routes of canals and railroads.

    Slave-owners lived the good life and that good life was built on slavery. They were willing to fight to preserve their good life.
     
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    Did you notice the Boy Scout in the 1938 reunion? One of the official guides at Gettysburg told me that at the first reunion in '13 that a lot of fights broke out among the veterans so that in '38 they put Boy Scouts with the old timers to make sure that wouldn't happen again. I don't think there was ever much love in either side after the war and there are a lot of people today who seem to think they still need to fight the past.

    Gary Riecke
     
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    Phil

    Thanks wonderful presentation, I had g,grandfathers on both sides at Gettysburg.
     
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    Phil,

    Thanks for posting the video. It is one of those things that you could look and look for, but never find. I truly appreciated watching it.

    Ken Frye
     
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    I enjoyed that. Thank you.

    -Gary
     
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    On this date in 1863;

    Monday December 14, 1863

    President Lincoln gave his wife's half-sister amnesty after she swears allegiance to the Union. Her husband, Brigadier-General Helm, died for the Confederacy at Chickamauga, and his distraught widow came to live with the lincolns

    Dark murmurings about Southern influence in the Lincoln household will continue.

    Having rested at Rogersville since Thursday, Longstreet suddenly doubles back towards Bean's Station where 4000 Federal Cavalry under Shackleford have advanced unsupported.Gracie's brigade leads the attack, but the early winter darkness brings the fighting to a close before enough Confederates can be concentrated.
    A column of troops under Parke block Longstreet's outflanking maneuver, and the Union forces retreat after dusk.

    (From the book '1400 Days')

    Danny
     
  19. likemybrownings

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    The most horendous part of this thread??? will we in our lifetime see it again?? I hope not but, almost seems unavoidable, not for the same principals but GOD I hope not
    Dave B
     
  20. SF SGM

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    For those interested, here are some interesting facts about our nation prior to the 1861 War Between the States, and yes, that is the official name of the conflict per Congress.

    Around 7% of the white population owned slaves in the South. Of that 7%, around 2% owned ten or more. Of the free men of color, around 20% owned slaves. In March of 1861, the Congress of the United States passed what would have been the 2nd 13th Ammendment, it was called the "Corwin Ammendment", three non slave holding states passed the ammendment and President Lincoln mentioned it in his first presidential address and wrote letters to each governor asking them to hold a convention and ratify the ammendment. What did the ammendment do, it basically made slavery legal forever. Another unique thing about this ammendment is that is was passed by Congress with no time limit for ratification, therefore it is still an active ammendment to be voted on by the states.

    In 1840, the total revenue of the United States government was 114 million dollars of which, the Southern states paid 93 million.. Mainly in taxes, etc. The tarrif rate was a 40%. When the Confederate states wrote their constitution, they reduced the tarrif to 10%. They also banned new slaves coming into the Confederate States without the approval of Congress.

    The first legal slave owner in the colonies was a free man of color in the colony of VA. In 1800, New York City was the 2nd largest slave holding city on the nation, behind Charleston, SC. Just some tidbits of info that you will not read in the history books.

    Van
     
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