1. Attention: We have put together a thread with tips and a tutorial video to help with using the new software. Please take a moment to check out the thread here: Trapshooters.com Tutorial & Help Video.
    Dismiss Notice

(OT) Prostate Question?

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Hauxfan, Oct 23, 2009.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Hauxfan

    Hauxfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    5,085
    Okay, I got my blood test back last week and my PSA's were in the double digits.

    Sort of a little scary for me, so I would like anyone who has gone through this to let me know what I might be in store for.

    I have an appointment with a urologist next Thursday, and I really don't know to much about this, so if anyone can enlighten me as to what I'm maybe looking at, I would really appreciate it.

    I have heard horror stories and have yet to hear anything encouraging about this.

    Does the high PSA mean I have cancer?

    Don't know.....but I'm thinking that the trip to the urologist will confirm or deny that next week. So I have a whole week of deep ponderous thought.

    So please weigh in with your thoughts.

    Thanks Guys & Gals.....

    Hauxfan!
     
  2. ouch

    ouch Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    280
    I ran some high numbers when tested at a work health screening. My doctor put me on an antibiotic for 30 days,Then his office gave me the test. My numbers were down, But not as low as he exspected. Took another 30 days of the antibiotics,Retested and the results were in the acceptable range.

    My doctor was never over concerned about my score.(I am thinking it was 5.3 or something like that,But memory is bad) He said starting at 50 I should have been tested. Then every year after that to establish a pattern.

    My concern or FEAR was a greater health risk than my test score. I will add you to my prayer list. Think positive! Richard
     
  3. dave-320c

    dave-320c Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,323
    You might want to get a second test before becoming overwhelmed with concern.
    Nearly all men die with prostate cancer present, if memory serves me correctly.
    Keep us informed; our prayers are with you.
    Regards,
    Dave Swerdlin
     
  4. Neil Winston

    Neil Winston Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    7,848
    Both the Mayo clinic and Johns Hopkins websites can help fill you in. The latter as a good downloadable pamphlet. Remember that once you google something like this you will get zany ads on the right side of the page which you should ignore.

    Neil
     
  5. Jim R

    Jim R Ljutic Nut TS Supporters

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    1,627
    Location:
    Western Washington
    Hauxfan

    My story is exactly the same as Richard’s. It has been a year and a half now and they still test me (PSA and finger wave) every 4 months. There are a lot of things that can run your PSA test numbers up not just cancer. Make sure you have a doctor that you have confidence in a do what he says.

    We will put you on our prayer list

    Jim & Susa
     
  6. Hauxfan

    Hauxfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    5,085
    Thanks everyone, I really do appreciate your concern.

    I'm not panicking till I at least see the urologist and get some information from him.

    And I do know from other friends that a man can live a long time with it even if it is cancer.

    I guess I'm just not ready to go yet.......lol

    Thanks everyone!

    And I will check out those websites you mentioned, Neil.

    Hauxfan!
     
  7. fcguth

    fcguth Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    84
    I can understand your concern. In may of last year my PSA had jumped from
    5.3 to 11.1 My dr. made me an appointment with a urologist who recomended
    a byopsy, which I had done, it was unpleasant but not as bad as I was
    expecting. Had a long few days waiting for the results to get back. It
    came back negitive! Thirty days later another psa test came back 5.6
    which has been normal for me for a few years ( I am 67years old) So no
    a high psa does not nessarley mean cancer.

    During the waiting period I talked to a few men who had went thru differnet
    types of treatments all were pleased with thier treatment of choice.
    Good luck, and try not to worry to much. Fred
     
  8. 635 G

    635 G Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    6,229
    In 2002 my PSA went over the normal range. Had a Biopsy; aprx 14 probes. All Negative. Bee on Avordart, since then. Very important, if you are on Avodart & not see an urologist. The PSA reading is to be DOUBLED fpr an accurate reading. Most Doc's who are not urologists don't know this. Prostae cancer is a very, very slow one. If caught early you'll most likely beat it.

    Phil Berkowitz
     
  9. Hauxfan

    Hauxfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    5,085
    Sent you an email, Ikey.

    Phil, I'm not on Avodart, but have a whole bunch more meds that might be the culprit.

    Thanks all for the words of encouragement I'm getting from you all.

    Hauxfan!
     
  10. BDodd

    BDodd TS Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    3,594
    Haux, I had the prostate removed in '97 and I'll try to remember what I learned. Just riding a bike can cause a high PSA test reading. It's not the peaks and valleys with the PSA test that concerns doctors it's, instead, a steady rise from test to test. My dad died from complications of the disease and I started PSAs early and annually because of it. When we saw an annual steady rise over 3 or 4 years we decided on the biopsy and cancer was found. At that time surgery was the best bet and I went for it. The doc had to take tissue including the involuntary sphincter muscle and there was still cancer right to the distal end of the surgery (away from the heart end). Had he taken more I would have been permanently incontinent - I hugged him for his decision to stop there. However, I saw the beginning of another steady rise, even if with small numbers, 5 years later and had the radiation in '02. There are better and more choices today and you can't go wrong having a biopsy now. If, however, your current reading looks more like a "peak" and not a steady rise over several tests, you might want to wait it out a while......Bob Dodd
     
  11. lets C 1

    lets C 1 TS Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    18
    Went thru a biopsy in 2006, my PSA @ that time was 4.6 came back negative. I've been on Flowmax for the past year, works great as far as flow & not getting up in the middle of the night. Had my yearly urologist vist last month
    PSA came back as a 5.6, did the antibiotics for two weeks & follow up blood work now my PSA is at 7.5 the chart calculates that as a 28% risk of cancer. We're re-doing another biopsy on the 27th. Just remember High PSA is only an indicator for possible cancer it IS NOT a diagnosis. Lots of things can elevate your PSA, no sex for 72 hours before any blood work as this will raise your PSA as well. Only 1 negative comment if you father or brother had prostate cancer it doubles your odds! Keep positive thoughs as you wait for the results, trust me it makes for a long week when your waiting.
     
  12. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    15,645
    Location:
    Green Bay Wisconsin
    Half a dozen guys at our gun club had it and beat it.

    One didn't, he never got tested and it metastasized and spread all over his body. (no health insurance due to a pre-existing heart condition).

    So lack of testing cost me a friend who was the brother I never had.

    So please, everyone get tested. at least every other yer, preferably yearly.

    HM
     
  13. Gross Man

    Gross Man Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2007
    Messages:
    302
    Location:
    Virginia
    There are three things that can cause elevated PSA:
    1. Benign enlargement
    2. Infection
    3. Cancer

    If the first two are eliminated, then the Urologist will want to do a biopsy - no real choice here. They cannot treat the Cancer until confirmed by biopsy. If you are diagnosed with cancer, there are several choices for treatment. Be optimistic and positive. If you have Cancer, you have an excellent chance of being cured. Also, read the web pages referenced above. The more you know the better off you are with dealing with it.

    Billy
    10+ year - I hate to say survivor - we had a problem and fixed it
     
  14. Savage99Stan

    Savage99Stan Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2007
    Messages:
    1,081
    I had been at .2 to .3 for all my adult life. In six months it jumped to 2.2, still way low but they worry about "velocity" or how fast it goes up. Had the "slightly uncomfortable" biopsy and they found nothing. No enlargement, no cancer, nothing. Six months later it was back to .2.

    Urologist and I agreed on two things: if it goes up again we're going to retest. If, on retest it is still up, I get drugs before the biopsy.

    If they need to do it, get it done. Drs. at work, during a prostate health seminar told us that every man over seventy five probably has it (prostate cancer) and that every man who dies over eighty has it but does not die from it. Those that don't find it and don't get it treated can and do die from it. Don't screw around with it.
     
  15. zarathrusta

    zarathrusta TS Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2006
    Messages:
    149
    HAUX: Hang in there and try to keep cool (easy for me to say). A high PSA can mean a number of different things. If the doc was worried, you wouldn't be waiting 'til Thursday to see a specialist. Even if it's one of the bad things - you did the right thing and caught it early.

    I had to "go in" and it wasn't anywhere near as bad as I thought it would be. I'm hoping it will be the same or better for you.
     
  16. Bruce Specht

    Bruce Specht Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    5,057
    Location:
    Near but not in chicago
    There was a news story recently that some doctors say get more than one opinion when dealing with high PSA numbers and have your self screened (tested) more thatn once . SOme of eht members of the mdeical community are backing of the idea that one hihg set of numbers is bad news. Mine went from .6 to 1 and my Doc has me at the Uroligist the next week. After an addiotional test and office vist (ouch) "let's keep an eye on it" so I asked how he was going to do that?? Took him a bit but he got it
     
  17. Jack L. Smith

    Jack L. Smith Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2009
    Messages:
    340
    Hauxfan, I have a lot of information for you; too much for this site. However, what I am going to offer should probably be read by every man over 50 on this site. Here is a summary. I had Prostate cancer in 2008 after many years of PSA's due to family history of same. I choose robotic prostetectomy. I was 53 and in other wise excellent health. I am not a doctor and I can not offer medical advice.

    If your Urologist recommends a biopsy, do it. Really unpleasant. If he does not, I'd change urologists or at least get a second opinion. Yes a high PSA could be an infection or other issues, but you have to take charge now. If it is cancer, it grows slowly but must be contained in the prostate sac for the best survival rate. You don't have to make these decisions in days or even weeks....but after 3 months or so generally, you had better know exactly what is going on and your treatment options.

    If it is cancer diagnoised by a biopsy, don't panic you have many good options depending on your age, weight, life style, location and access to certain treatments.

    A biopsy can come back negative, and you could still have cancer. Your urologist will explain this. So, continued PSA's may lead you to additional biopsies. But, you have to take charge - and continue to find out.

    Whether it is cancer or not, you have something going on. Buy the book 'Surviving Prostate Cancer" by Dr Patrick Walsh. Get the most current edition. Read it. It has a lot of information on prostate health, and our physical and mental aspects of how we are affected.

    I hope you don't have cancer. If you do, you can live a long time with the correct treatment.

    My story is a good one, I am fine, but it was a wild ride for a while. During recovery, I decided to start shooting ATA Trap again after a 23 years layoff. I shot at 7 different ATA clubs including Elysburg. I had never been there although living in SE PA my whole life. My post surgery decision led me to this site, and to a whole lot of fun this last year and for many years to come I AM SURE.

    You have time to make decisions, and educate yourself. Do not let this go too far however, as I can attest to the result if prosate cancer in not contained.

    As you proceed, make sure your urologist is experiended in the treatment option YOU choose...and has a fully talented team for POST treatment in the months and couple years afterward. I mean hundreds of patients,not a few dozen. Or....change urologists. I did. One diagonsed me, another did the surgery. My life, my research, my choice. I am grateful to both urolgists.

    Stay on top of the issue - my 'scare' really wasn't a scare because I felt I had great advice along the way. Since getting back to ATA in 2009 after the long 26 year layoff from trap of any real sort, my average is better than when I shot at age 30. I believe that prostate removal is a method to improve trap scores. (if true, I think there would be a line of shooters around many hospitals.)

    One more very important item. I was given an antibiotic as a pre biopsy medication. "Lavaquin" and had an allergic reaction that shut my respiratory system down and sent me to the ER and caridac ICU for 24 hours. I was about 5 minutes from position 6 in the sky. That was almost my last target right there. Take any medication with someone nearby and be aware of possible side effects - in may case, I started to sneeze and then I couldn't breath and my airways shut down.

    Haufax - Make sure you take charge of all your meds, treatments, know what you are getting - ask questions !!! etc. YOU wouldn't shoot someone else's reloads at the state shoot would you? Buy new shells from now on.

    As you progress, feel free to send me a PM.

    All the best, my thoughts are with you. Get the book.
     
  18. Big Heap

    Big Heap TS Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    1,748
    First - these days there is an over 90% cure rate for men who have an early diagnosis. If the cancer spreads out of the prostate it becomes a serious problem.

    There is a book titled "Prostate Cancer for Dummy's" which is very helpful answering common questions. My radiologist helped write it.

    Because I had been on a test for a cancer preventative drug years ago I was able to see the head of urology at the Univ.of Washington Medical Center - the same fellow who I reported to at the earlier tests. He was no longer a rookie.

    I had the radiology treatment four years ago and have tested clear at every yearly checkup.

    I have five good friends who had various treatments and they are still on this side of the sod. Good luck.
     
  19. gold40

    gold40 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 1998
    Messages:
    180
    I tested at 4.6 PSA 10 years ago during a regular physical exam. Follow-on tests were positive, and I had surgery soon after - full prostrate removal. Fortunately, they caught it early, and the cancer had not spread.

    All turned out fine.

    That was 10 years ago, and I have had no more problems. Remarried and have a normal life (for someone 68 years old). It was scary, but I had a good doc, and am a survivor. I still shoot skeet , trap, and sporting clays. Leaving for a South Dakota pheasant hunt on Sunday.

    Good luck!

    JERRY
     
  20. JACK

    JACK Well-Known Member Supporting Vendor

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2006
    Messages:
    14,731
    Location:
    NW Wisconsin
    Pray that the Spartans do not do your next "finger wave"
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.