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OT** IS US land of the free? OT

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  1. dhwbailey

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    U.S. border agents given power to seize travellers' laptops, cellphones
    Last Updated: Friday, August 1, 2008 | 3:33 PM ET

    CBC News
    U.S. authorities now have the power to seize and detain travellers' electronic devices, including laptops and cellphones, and make copies of their contents at an off-site location, under newly disclosed customs policies.

    The policy gives border agents at any point of entry into the United States the authority to also take documents, books, pamphlets and hard drives. The items can be seized from anyone crossing the border and may then be copied and shared with other government agencies, according to Department of Homeland Security documents dated July 16.

    "Officers may detain documents and electronic devices, or copies thereof, for a reasonable period of time to perform a thorough border search," the policy says. "The search may take place on-site or at an off-site location."

    U.S. Senator Russ Feingold told the Washington Post he finds the new policies "alarming" and said he plans to introduce legislation that would make grounds for border searches more rigorous.

    Greg Nojeim, senior counsel at the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Democracy and Technology, said the new policies allow authorities to conduct searches without suspicion of wrongdoing.

    "They're saying they can rifle through all the information in a traveller's laptop without having a smidgen of evidence that the traveller is breaking the law," he told the Post.

    If the authorities find there is not probable cause to hold the seized items, copies must be destroyed, according to the policy. The policy does not outline a timeframe in which materials must be returned.

    "These examinations are part of ... long-standing practice and are essential to uncovering vital law-enforcement information," the policy says, noting examinations help authorities detect possible instances of terrorism, narcotics smuggling, child pornography and violations of copyright and trademark laws.
     
  2. Quack Shot

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    All the more reason to encrypt your hard drive and keep your essential data securely backed up off site. Keep nothing on the laptop or portable drives that you don't wish to share. Same goes for Cameras and Camcorders. Upload your images when/if you can and store a second copy of picture and video files elsewhere. Burn them to a CD/DVD and ship them home of it's worth keeping. One set should make it home. It helps when a device gets stolen as well. Sometimes the Camera or Camcorder isn't worth the pictures you lost when it ended up missing.
     
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    Not as much as the public percieves it to have been.....I think the "spooks" have been at it for a loooong time...just now the public is being made more aware of how much the government intrudes into your lives...
     
  4. halfmile

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    Leave it to Feingold to want to reign in any attempt at border security.

    Memo to drug cartel members: Aaaaay Pablo, NO bring Laptop along on the next run, they're on to us.

    ROFL.

    HM
     
  5. Shooting Coach

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    Actually a citizen has the fewest rights at the borders. Consider this on your next trip outside the country.
     
  6. Bisi

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    No. We are not free anymore. We can only blame ourselves. We don't complain when every April 15 every American with an income has to submit a written report of where his money comes from. We have to list where every dollar comes from and who we got it from. We have to list every bank account, brokerage account, companies we own stock in, how much we make, and who employes us, etc.... Seizing one's laptop is mild after allowing that to happen.

    Do we think the people who fought the Revolution would submit? No. What happened to us? I know I gotta drink a lot of liquor anymore to even consider myself to be free person. I'm not entitled to be called an American, we failed our forefathers. We pissed away their sacrifice.

    Excuse me, I gotta go get a drink.
     
  7. Hap MecTweaks

    Hap MecTweaks Well-Known Member

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    Bisi, I'm gonna have one with you!! Hap
     
  8. halfmile

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    Government, as ususal takes the stupidest means by which to accomplish an objective.

    Proof of this is evident when the 70 year old Caucasian Grandmother has to take her shoes off at the airport.

    Also when they tax cigarettes and subsidize tobacco farmers with the money.

    They could take the National guard to patrol the border, and shoot all invaders, but the whiny ass girlyman metrosexual libbies would say that's inhuman.

    Not only is the US hated all around the world, but it seems to be the patsy for any miscreants who can get to the border.

    Catching a drug smuggler and getting ten years in jail for it is brilliant, I think I see a Cheshire cat smiling in the trees along the border.

    HM
     
  9. Landshark

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    I don't think we've been "free" for a long time. Yes, it's our own fault. We are reaping the rewards of apathy.
     
  10. spritc

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    If you don't like it stay in the country of your choice. Most of us have nothing to hide and representatives of my country are welcome to look at my computer, cameras, etc. Sometimes the price of freedom needs to be a little invasive; I don't have a problem with keeping people out of my country that don't need to be here. As for you liberals who responded in a negative way, take your computers and cameras back to Mexico or Canada or even Commufornia with you, we don't need you here.
     
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