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OT How nice of my congressman to send this balony

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by luvnbearhugs1, Oct 21, 2009.

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  1. luvnbearhugs1

    luvnbearhugs1 TS Member

    Dec 18, 2006
    I sent a letter to my congressman expressing my displeasure with, among other things, the global warming bill before the house and senate. This was the response. I couldn't get past the point that he stands on the point that we need to do this to save our children and grandchildren. Well who does he think is going to save us once the country is bankrupted because of what Obama has already done?<br>

    As a bit of background, this is why I contacted him<br><br>

    "Yesterday British Prime Minister Gordon Brown issue dire warnings about global catastrophes that are to come if world leaders fail to come to an agreement and sign the Climate Treaty in Copenhagen this December. His hyperbole sounds a lot like that of Al Gore in his movie, “An Inconvenient Truth.” It is interesting to note that a British judge ruled that Gore’s movie contained 9 significant errors that had to be corrected before it could be shown in British schools. We are wondering if the judge might not want to issue a ruling on Gordon Brown’s speech as well."<br><br>


    Thank you for contacting me to register your opposition to legislation (H.R. 2454) to curb greenhouse gas emissions. I regret we disagree on this issue.<br>

    There is almost complete consensus on the science of climate change. The International Panel on Climate Change states in its recent report that there is a growing body of evidence which demonstrates that increases in greenhouse gas concentrations, due to human emissions, have caused most of the warming observed over the past half century.<br>

    Both the spatial patterns and trend of warming can only be explained by the inclusion of human emissions. The rapid increase in global temperatures seen over the past half century could not have been caused by natural factors alone. The warming effect of human emissions is around ten times that of solar variations. I would encourage you to read the statements of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the Royal Society: www.ipcc.ch/ and www.royalsoc.ac.uk/. There is also a good website with YouTube videos that effectively refute some of the more popular claims that global climate change is not occurring and not the result of human activity: www.youtube.com/user/greenman3610.<br>

    If you accept that humans are the cause of global climate change, then it is hard not to argue that as one of the largest producers of greenhouse gas emissions on a per capita basis and the second largest by country, the U.S. should take a leadership role in reducing emissions. I believe we also have a moral obligation to consider what cost future generations will bear for our impact on the environment. The welfare of our children and future generations should be our primary consideration.<br>

    The legislation approved by the U.S. House of Representatives on this past June, the American Clean Energy and Security Act (H.R. 2454), seeks to reduce greenhouse gases below 80 percent of their 2005 levels by the year 2050. The act achieves this objective through a combination of mandatory reductions in greenhouse gas emissions from major sources, a clean renewable energy standard for electricity production, greater energy efficiency, and conservation measures and subsidies to support the development of carbon sequestration technologies. The mandatory reductions are achieved through a cap and trade program that is modeled after the market-based program enacted under the Clean Air Act amendments of 1990. This program successfully reduced sulfur dioxide emissions from coal-fired plants that were responsible for acid rain that acidified lakes, destroyed aquatic wildlife and fresh drinking water sources. Within seven years of its implementation, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) found that compliance costs were 75 percent below those originally predicted by EPA and far below what opponents at the time of its passage claimed. EPA also found that within that seven-year period acid deposition in the eastern United States had declined by as much as 30 percent, resulting in marked improvements in lakes and streams.<br>

    There is no doubt that transforming to less carbon intense energy sources will have an impact on the economy. The Treasury analysis that has been cited by opponents of the legislation, however, fail to note the the Treasury Department documents which pre-date H.R. 2454 and merely discuss the amount of revenue which could be generated by a hypothetical climate bill that auctioned 100 percent of the allowances. It assumes that none of that revenue would be returned to consumers. H.R. 2454 takes a fundamentally different approach. H.R. 2454 allocates allowances to protect consumers from potential price increases in electricity and natural gas, returns auction revenue to low-income households, and contains energy efficiency measures to reduce energy bills.<br>

    The Energy Information Administration estimates that the overall impact on the average household, including the benefit of many of the energy efficiency provisions in the legislation, would be 23 cents per day ($83 per year). The Environmental Protection Agency projects a cost of 22 to 30 cents per day ($80 to $111 per year). The Congressional Budget Office analysis requested by Representative Camp projects a cost of 48 cents per day ($175 per year). None of these cost estimates consider the benefits of reducing global warming, such as energy efficiency measures that will reduce consumption. Bearing the cost of transitioning toward a less carbon-intense society is possible, appropriate and necessary.<br>

    While there will be economic disruption and job losses, there will also be new jobs and industries created. Reducing our carbon emissions will create green jobs, including manufacturing clean energy technologies and weatherizing homes and updating new energy efficient buildings. As such, this legislation will strengthen our global competitiveness, helping America become the world leader in new energy technology, and putting pressure on China and India to become a part of the world effort to address the climate crisis. Moreover, under this bill, America’s energy-intensive, trade-exposed industries like steel will receive allowances to cover transition costs and to prevent the shifting of jobs and pollution to other countries as we move toward energy independence.<br>

    There are also significant costs for doing nothing. And, we do not need to wait a generation to measure the impact of inaction. We have already begun to bear these costs. Arid subtropical climate zones have already expanded by about 250 miles, endangering native plant and animal species. The European heat wave of 2003 is estimated to have killed 35,000 people. In 1998, floods in China adversely affected 24 million. The World Health Organization estimates that as of the year 2000 the annual death toll from climate change had reached more than 150,000.<br>

    Looking into the future, extraordinary heat waves, storms and floods will kill many people and harm many others, and this increasing toll of death and destruction will not be limited to developing countries. Tropical diseases will increase their range of infection and exact their toll in human lives. Changing patterns of rainfall and mountain runoff will lead to local water shortages and crop failures in California and the Southwest. Ocean acidification will destroy coral reefs and the chain of sea life they support, endangering a leading food source for up to one-third of humanity. If coastal ice shelves in the Antarctic continue to disintegrate, sea levels will rise several meters in a century. At such a rate, almost half of the world’s great cities will disappear. Large-scale human migrations in response to rising sea levels and other climate-induced stresses will impoverish many people. In general, an increasingly harsh climate will greatly endanger future generations’ life expectancy and diminish everyone’s quality of life. Some warn that mass extinctions of species may occur, leaving a far more desolate planet for our descendants than the world that we inherited.<br>

    While there are a number of provisions that cause me concern, this legislation sets in play an ambitious program to transform the way we produce and consume energy and moves us away from the precipice of environmental and ecological disaster. The current debate, which I welcome, is long overdue.<br>

    James P. Moran<br>

    P.S. I invite you to visit my website at www.moran.house.gov that contains information on many topics of interest and allows you to sign up for the Moran e-News.<br>
  2. oldgahchamp

    oldgahchamp Active Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Is his name Moran or Moron?
  3. stokinpls

    stokinpls Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    If your congressman actually wrote that, he has obviously lost his mind.

    We've become a feminist society faced with a male dominated enemym and this moron is consumed by global climate change?. We are doomed. Hug your kids today.
  4. brownk80

    brownk80 Member

    Apr 16, 2007
    At least yours read your letter and responded in kind. When I have written Sen. Boxer, Sen. Feinstien, Rep. Tauscher and Nancy Pelosi all I have ever gotten is some crap written by a staffer justifying their position on the issue in question. Not once have I ever received a response to the question I raised or the issue I addressed. I get better information from Fortune Cookies!!

  5. timberfaller

    timberfaller Well-Known Member

    Feb 24, 2007
    Eastern Washington
    Is your Rep. a Demonut? the last part(3/4) of your letter looks just like the one I got from my unrepresentatives (both dems WA) I've accused them that they only know how to send out "form letters" and can't answer a direct question!

    The only time they haven't responded to me is over "Road destruction" on our National Forest. Never responded to "Why". Your forest(dirt)roads never cost the taxpayers any money for their construction(loggers built them at their expence), BUT, its costing MILLIONS to de-construct them.

    And these same people want to take care of your HEALTH care!
  6. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Green Bay Wisconsin
    This idiot might want to check the global temperature data for the last 11 years before jumping to help Gore become a trilionaire.

    mashy linky


  7. daddiooo

    daddiooo TS Supporters TS Supporters

    Jan 29, 1998
    Yeah we're facing global warming, thats why it's snowing in central Pennsylvania in mid-October. I'd crap in that letter and return it to the elected idiot that sent it.

    Then I'd make it a personal goal to unseat the twit.

    They quickly forget who they work for.
  8. luvnbearhugs1

    luvnbearhugs1 TS Member

    Dec 18, 2006
    This was from Congressman Jim Moran, Democrat from the district 8 in the Northern Virginia area. (Read that highest taxed, lowest income and most illegals per square mile area) You can bet one thing, it will be my pleasure to vote for his opponent next election and get as many other voters as I can to do the same.

    I believe this to have been a form letter. It was posted to me on his behalf by a staffer with the initials (ta) I plan to write a serious rebuttal and send it back, but I need to secure my facts. I am sick to death of these koolaid drinking idiots who want to jump on this and other programs because they are following the herd. Why can't we find a leader instead of a bunch of milquetoast losers?

    an angry luvnbearhugs1
  9. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Deplorable Bitter Clinger in Liberal La La Land
    What a tool.
  10. wam6187

    wam6187 TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    WOW. This nut job is just one of a number of idiots that are running our fine country into the ground. As we now see elections have consequences. The problem with these jerks is they have forgotten they are PUBLIC SERVANTS!!! In 2010 we need to remind those up for election that they are easily replaced.

  11. bill1949

    bill1949 Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Jim Moran was a blithering idiot long before "Global Warming". He's got a son trying to follow in his liberal puke tracks...Bill
  12. crusha

    crusha TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    "Dear Constituent,

    "Thank you for taking time to express your views. Unfortunately, I regret to inform you that we disagree on this issue.

    "I must confess I have no formal scientific training. What I do have is the corroboration of 674,969 politicians, bureaucrats, and government-financed scientists around the world, assuring me that the Cap and Trade legislation currently on my desk is the best, most sure-to-succeed method of soaking our constituents for more money ever devised by the mind of man.

    "My legislative colleagues and I are incredibly grateful for this gift from heaven. My private parts tingle just thinking about it.

    "Jesus freakin' Christ on a stick, man - do you understand what you're asking me to vote against? A limitless revenue source! A funding source that taxes every horsepower, every kilowatt, every breath, every fart, every molecule of what makes our modern lives worth living!

    "And did I tell you it's necessary to save the children? Hell yeah! Children in Malaysia, living in grass huts by the shore...preparing to lie down on rattan mats for the night, praying that the ocean will not rise up and drown them in their sleep. This has been corroborated by the world's Great Minds of Science (see attached link >>> starvingpygmies.oprahwinfrey.com).

    "No, my fellow American - I will not stand for this. This cannot be. Not on my watch. Who are we to tell that child - via our wasteful and self-centered habits - that he has no right to wake up in the morning? We are too good a nation for this.

    "So I will help pass this legislation, and see to it that this nation lives up to its promise as a beacon of light in the world. We will usher in a new age. An age of clean energy technology, green jobs, a prettier environment, and cheery, singing bands of Malaysian pygmies who dance and thank God every morning for those fine representatives of the U.S. Congress who voted to let them live and sing another day.

    "Ms. Luvnbearhugs, there are those who believe we should let that child die. I do not think that is what you elected me to do. Please join me in this fight. Save the planet. Save the nation. Save that child.

    Get down on your knees.

    Lean forward.

    Choke yourself.

    You know it's the right thing to do.

    May God have mercy on our horrible, greedy little hearts.

    Rep. Peter "Pete" Puffer"
  13. kirbythegunsmith

    kirbythegunsmith Member

    Jan 3, 2008
    I came across this just yesterday, but it has much info. about the climate "deniers" that seems to be the new "SHUT UP" label they put on inconvenient statements that poke holes in pet "control" theories used to spread control and stifle life and freedom. The comments after the basic article at the link just get better (I just kept reading and laughing at the hocus-pocus used to try to show climate change is not debatable) since they started in late 2007 and they do jam a corncob up the...


    That stuff was linked in a reply comment at a blog called- drum roll please- bigcitylib strikes back--- and it does list some "qualifications" of "climate change specialists" and the attacks against the qualifications of those not agreeing climate change is a real and urgent problem that we can't determine but still must be stopped by taxing everything from burning to composting.

    Here is a start of the comment that I thought prescient and is all at the link posted above. Since this is from 2007, you can see plenty of comments and counter-comments from bigcitylib (BCL) as he gets his butt kicked. See comment #20 for more listings about comparing their "scientists" and qualifications vs. thinking rational people. Meteorologists are not included in climate change panels, evidently since they work with far fewer assumptions than global warming models but the weather predictions go haywire vs. reality within a few days, so they know about "garbage in-garbage out" that climate computer models thrive on to make grist for the disinformation mill.


    "For the uninitiated, here is the lowdown: Andrew Dessler is a professor at the Department of Atmospheric Sciences, Texas A&M University. He is complaining about a US senate report which listed hundreds of individuals who have been reported in the media during 2007 as speaking against the "scientific consensus" on climate change, claiming that they are scientists."


    "Now, you have to be qualified to have an opinion on climate change. But Dessler doesn't tell us exactly how we are to measure the qualifications, we just have to take his word for it that the 400 sceptics aren't qualified, but the IPCC scientists are. So it's not simply a consensus, it's a qualified consensus, and he gets to call the qualification."
  14. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    luvnbearhugs1 and All:

    Speaking of balony, here's what one can expect to receive from Tombstome Burris, the junior stooge from Illinois.


    Dear fellow Illinoisan,

    As Congress debates contentious issues such as health care reform, climate change, and our continued economic recovery, it is more important than ever to keep in touch so that I can faithfully serve your needs in Washington.

    To that end, I will be providing details of my legislative efforts in periodic e-newsletters, such as this one. I will also be launching a new website, where you will find information about specific legislation, services my office can provide, and the issues you care about most. In a few weeks, you’ll be able to visit www.burris.senate.gov to explore my redesigned online office.

    In this edition of my e-newsletter, I would like to address the ongoing national debate over health care reform.

    As many of us know all too well, health care costs are spiraling out of control.

    I believe Illinoisans deserve better. That’s why we need a public option as part of our health care plan. It’s time to restore choice and accountability to the insurance market.

    A public option would save billions of dollars a year, stop companies from denying coverage to those who need it most, and reduce the burden on American businesses and families. This would improve health outcomes and make quality care more affordable for everyone.

    A public option would not result in rationed care or “death panels” of any description. It would not force anyone to change their doctor and would not provide benefits to illegal immigrants. As your Senator, I refuse to vote for any measure that would change our system in this way. But I also refuse to vote for anything less than the real, meaningful reform a public option would provide.

    I look forward to hearing from you as we all continue to work towards a brighter future for Illinois. It is an honor to serve as your United States Senator. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and ideas with me.


    Roland W. Burris

    Please Note: I cannot respond to replies directly to this email address due to security concerns. I look forward to corresponding with you through my web form located at http://burris.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm. Thank you for your understanding.


    So fellow ts.commers, if your political thoughts are similar to Dumblefub, whathisthrusta, or nipper send Tombstone a note of encouragement. If OTOH you think this is a load of crap, be sure to let him know that as well.

  15. Quack Shot

    Quack Shot Active Member

    Mar 14, 2006
    Moron's opponent just gained another supporter. Watch the VA elections next week and let's see if the people got the message yet.
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