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OT: Gasoline Pricing

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Setterman, Apr 25, 2008.

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  1. Setterman

    Setterman Well-Known Member

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    Drill here, we have plenty. Call your congressman.
     
  2. shot410ga

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    The big dog that has all the guns will take what they want, when they deside thay want it. And there will be nothing anyone can do about it. That is the way it has always been, and that's what will happen in the future. And who is the big dog on the block? The old USA. He who has the biggest gun will in time of need, use it.
     
  3. DJM

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    Charge what ever it takes, but do not make me wait in line.
     
  4. wm rike

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    Public transportation, or rather the great lack of it. I serve on several boards and commissions that deal with energy, resources, and conservation, all by appt. of the Governor. Several years ago we were taking a long look at public transportation and called in some experts. The recuring theme was that in order for public transportation to work, it needs to be laid down before the rest of the city. If you build the downtown area, surround it with 'burbs, and then try to overlay public transportation, it won't work. City planners can't get the notion.

    Say what you want about that most dismal of cities, New Orleans, but it is built around public transit and it works. You can (could) get anywhere in that place for a token or two.
     
  5. Hap MecTweaks

    Hap MecTweaks Well-Known Member

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    As prices increase, it hammers the poor, hampers the middle classes and some can afford it. Have you guys been paying any attention to the burglary increases of late around the country? Bank robbers are out and about more it seems too. Hap
     
  6. Juno

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    Make fuel from water. haha Doesn't Hydrogen burn and it is the most abundant element in the universe.
     
  7. krieghoff-kid

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    ah yes "The Long Emergency" had the read that in one of my classes a few semesters back and the whole point of that waste-ful read is "Peak Oil THEORY"
    the theory of peak oil was introduced over forty years ago and it has always said "oil will be gone in thirty years" so if forty years ago oil was supposed to run out in thirty where does that leave us now?

    oil is always going to be an issue of cost, simply because of the cartels and monopolistic companies that control 85% of the worlds oil. its just a question of whos going to be able to afford it and who will have to live within walking distance of their job and the grocery store.
     
  8. stokinpls

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    filcher1000 - You might want to ask Brazil what they think of your omniscience.
     
  9. ATF Agent

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    Dan,

    From my observations, I'd agree (somewhat) with the expert you quote. Most folks here consistently drive 20 mph over the speed limit, although I'm seeing a few more trying to drive economically. While it appears that higher gas prices are an inconvenience to the majority, prices will need to reach levels that cause economic distress before John Q. Public will reduce consumption. I'm sure the government will try to intervene on some level, although I doubt they will be even mildly successful.


    Hap,

    Yes. There were three bank robberies in my town this week. The local police have resorted to having an officer present at random banks around town. However, with 51 bank branches, they can't be everywhere.


    ATF
     
  10. blizzard

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    Here we go. One gets kicked off, and another is right there to take over with the BS. Well then flinch, explain the state of oil exploration worldwide to us. Oh, can't do that? Only have the opinion of one liberal, who happened to write a book on oil? Experts, they are all experts.
     
  11. Landyn16

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    what about all that oil sands here in the usa. there should be an open season on any one that says we cant dril in the usa. also JUNO is right what about Hydrogen.
     
  12. Bisi

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    I don't think the price of gas at its present level has changed anybodys way of life. We just don't like it being this high. When I go to work in the morning I still see only 1 person per vehicle. Nobody has started carpooling. Just passed the gas station 10 minutes ago. There were 3 or 4 people fueling their bass boats for the weekend. Plenty of motorcycles out and about this evening.

    Like someone above posted - just don't make us wait in line for it.
     
  13. halfmile

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    I remember when I was young, The workplaces were in the center of town for the most part. Public transit ran from the residential areas to downtown, and you woule see lots of guys with a lunchbucket on their lap riding the bus.

    Now the center of town looks like a war zone, the residential areas are 10 miles out, and the workplaces are all around the edge of town, as is the shopping.

    I stood on the overpass by our club and watched one morning and the line of cars coming in was unending. Females in cheap cars talking on the cellphone and putting their eye makeup on for the most part.

    Looks like we did it to uourselves.

    HM
     
  14. K80433SC

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    All anyone need do is spend a little over an hour of their precious time, and watch the video "the energy non-crisis". It would take less than most of us probably spend on the computer or at the reloader each day.

    The URL was posted here about a month ago, and (sadly) got almost no notice. I guess an hour-long video about the truth is more than most Americans want to spend. They'd much rather profess to be "THE expert", and (then) to bicker amongst each other as to who is the more knowledgeable, or point fingers at the respective political parties.

    We have oil right here in the U.S.........PLENTY of it, too. At least 200 years worth of oil at current U.S consumption rates is located on the north slope of Alaska. To date, not ONE DROP of that oil has reached the American consumer. These same oil fields produce a billion cubic feet of natural gas per day, all of which is forced BACK into the ground by jet engine blowers.

    The U.S. government will not allow this energy to be put to use. They do not want "cheap" energy. Our economy is based upon the use of foreign oil, traded in United States currency ; the price of which is manipulated on a daily basis by the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. If that ever changes, as Iran is proposing to flood the market with cheaper oil backed by the Euro instead of the dollar, it would totally collapse our nation's economy.

    Our government is the biggest beneficiary of high energy prices. Do you really think they are going to alter that benefit, just to lower your gas prices? If that were in their long-range outlook, don't you think a Democratic Senate would have put that feather in their cap by now. After all - it has been 6 months, and we still see no relief in what they all blamed (and many believe) on President Bush catering to his "oil buddies". What BS that is........

    Even if you do not think it worth your time to spend an hour watching something that just might actually "educate" you about the oil situation, at the very least stop and think about why we have been in Iraq for 5 years now. Think about why it was so imperative that we catch Saddaam Hussein, and why he HAD to die. Like Iran - he also refused to "play ball" with the elite few who control the world by controlling the oil supply.

    Iran is currently pressuring the OPEC nations to do just that - to trade oil in Euros, instead of U.S. currency. To date, they do not have enough clout or support to exercise their plan. If it does ever happen, you will see one of two things. Either we will use our "big guns" and go to war with Iran, and blame the war on the threat of their nuclear capability, OR we will join an alliance of nations and adopt a new common currency - another step toward World Government.

    There is no solution on the horizon, and our own U.S. government is the biggest player in the conspiracy. Their only "relief" is going to be more freebies and breaks for the illegals and lazy-poor segments of society. If they take enough from the working man, and spread it around thin enough, we will be left with merely ONE class of people. That will be much easier for them to control, because everyone will be dependent upon their "big brother" for their every need.

    Sound like socialism........maybe even Communism? Wake up ; rise up -- or give up. There is no "oil crisis", but there is a "social crisis".
     
  15. sammyd95

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    I saw the other night as my wife watched american idol,they had 38 million phonecalls @ $0.99 each,and that was just one night,and we claim to be in a recession,or depression ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
     
  16. over the hill

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    I tried to respond to this thread early this morning but computer was so slow I had to quit.

    JCL has my thoughts exactly. Average speed here (Ohio) is somewhere between 70-80. No conservation going on here.

    Lady next to me last week put 80.00 in her Suburban.

    Solution???? More public trans. or grab your ankles and pray.


    Good shooting...Regards Gerald
     
  17. markdenis

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    The price of fuel has very little to do with supply and demand. The fundamentals that drives the price up and down is pretty much thrown out the window anymore. What we have now is oil trading on the stock market as a standard security rather than a commodity. When you can buy a barrel of oil one day for $110.00 and sell it the next for $118.00, the fundamentals of supply and demand has nothing to do with it.

    We have now and have had for a few years, the technology to build and mass produce at reasonable prices automobiles that operate on water (hydrogen). It is well documented one of the main reasons we don't have hydrogen vehicles on the road right now is because either the Government and/or the Oil Companies have not figured out how to control the price of water. They simply can't get their fingers in the cookie jar!. When you can gather rain water off your roof or any other natural method and use it to power your vehicle, the Government and Oil Companies are left out of the picture....so in return....there are endless red tape issues hydrogen vehicle builders can not cope with.

    There are several "hydrogen transportation" websites you can visit and read about the problems the manufactures face.

    Mark R
     
  18. krieghoff-kid

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    flinch--

    i will not condescend to anything! oil is a non-renewable resource -fact. and when resources become scarce the simple economic priciple of supply-v-demand illustrates that they become more expensive in one form or another, money, lives, or other means. and to imply that the current military conflict revolves soley around oil foolish. if we were there simply for oil and oil alone wouldnt it make more sense to invade a country that has the majority of saudi oil reserves (ie saudi arabia or iran)

    if you really want some info do a quick search on Peak Oil Theory. it was suggested in '56 and stated that peak oil production will be in 1970. if this theory held true to that suggested time frame why are major oil companies continuously reporting record high profit each quarter and why hasnt production slowed down if we should have been on the downslope of production volume since 1970?

    everday some "expert" says in thirty years we will out of oil. they have been saying that since the 70's and now in 2008 some "expert" says we will be out of oil in 30 years. im sure that im not the only one that thinks the "experts" have no clue as to when the oil reserves will dry up. the amount of oil left is what it is and when its gone its gone and im sure that as our ancestors of millenia before did we can adapt to a society without oil as our primary fuel
     
  19. flylta

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    I drive a 1982 datsun deisal.

    Researching now how to make my own. Bio deisal that is, from my research it appears that it should cost an average of $0.48 per gallon. If it works, let those F250's come down in price. I drive it and let it smell like fries...

    Ron
     
  20. blizzard

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    flincher,


    You are so ass -backward on the subject of untapped USA oil and oil exploration it just boggles the mind! What do you get out of arguing a subject that you obviously know absolutely nothing about? You should really do some OBJECTIVE research before you continue making a fool of yourself.


    Also, no I'm no geologist. Anywhere that there is oil exploration being done, or derricks going up, there are welders working.
     
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