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OT, gas saving tips

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by jbmi, Apr 14, 2008.

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  1. jbmi

    jbmi Well-Known Member

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    >>> Tereasa Richardson 4/10/2008 2:12 PM >>>
    TIPS ON PUMPING GAS
    >
    > I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here
    > in California we are also paying higher, up to $3.50 per gallon.
    But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some
    tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon..
    >
    > Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose , CA we
    deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One day
    is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium
    grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons.
    >
    > Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when
    the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service
    > stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder
    the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands,
    so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....y our gallon is not exactly
    a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature
    of
    > the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum
    products plays an important role.
    >
    > A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this
    > business. But the service stations do not have
    > temperature compensation at the pumps.
    >
    > When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to
    a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3)stages:
    low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed,
    thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at
    the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some
    other liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked
    up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth
    for your money.
    >
    > One of the most important tip s is to fill up when your
    > gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the
    more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space.
    Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an
    internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance be tween the gas and
    the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here
    where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that
    every gallon is actually the exact amount.
    >
    > Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the
    storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the
    gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up
    some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom. Hope this will help you
    get the most value for your money.
    >
    > DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS!
    >
    > WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS V ERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON
    >
    > Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it.
    It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We
    should return the favor.
    >
    > An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.
    >
    > Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting
    > more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas
    companies that don't import thei r oil from the Saudis.
    >
    > Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I
    fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my
    family, and my friends.
    >
    > I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil
    companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle
    Eastern oil.
    >
    > These companies import Middle Eastern oil:
    >
    > Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels
    >
    > Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels
    >
    > Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels
    >
    > Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
    >
    > Amoco........................ ...62,231,000 barrels
    >
    > Citgo gas is from South America, from a Dictator who
    > hates Americans. If you do the math at $30/barrel, these mports
    amount to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel
    >
    > Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
    >
    > Sunoco..................0 barrels
    >
    > Conoco..................0 barrels
    >
    > Sinclair.................0 barrels
    >
    > BP/Phillips............0 barrels
    >
    > Hess.......................0 barrels
    >
    > ARC0....................0 barrels
    >
    > If you go to Sunoco.com, you will get a list of the
    > station locations near you.
    >
    > All of this information is available from the Department of Energy
    and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are
    importing.
     
  2. AveragEd

    AveragEd Well-Known Member

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    Very informative! The part about which oil companies buy middle-Eastern-sourced gasoline prompts a question, however. Our family belongs to a nearby BJ's Wholesale Club. Their price on gasoline often is a few cents lower than elsewhere so if we're close by, we fill up there. Also nearby are Sunoco, Gulf and Amoco bulk plants and I've seen the same independent carrier that delivers fuel to BJ's getting fuel at one or more of those plants, so is there a way to know what brand of fuel you're really buying when you fill up at a wholesale club, Giant grocery store or other "non-oil company" source?

    Ed
     
  3. perazzitms

    perazzitms TS Member

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    Some of it is plausible, but I don't believe the early morning thing. If the station had above ground tanks, OK -- but the bulk tanks at stations are buried at least 5 or 6 feet down, and that does not include the depth of the tank itself. You go down 5 feet in the ground and the temperature pretty much stays the same from morning to evening to night. Now with bulk depots with above ground tanks this is a consideration - which is why the depot pumps are temperature compensated and you actually do have a difference between gross and net gallons.

    The half-full thing is something I never thought of though.
     
  4. timb99

    timb99 Well-Known Member

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    Mostly nonsense. Look up "fungible commodity"

    If you boycott the stations that sell middle-east gas, that gas will still be sold to you or someone else, at another station.

    Most gas pumps have filters, as does your car.

    "Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof" Yes, the big million gallon ones at the refineries. Not the one in the ground at your local gas station.

    Even if you do all these things, over your lifetime, you'll maybe save a gallon?

    Here's a tip that works. Get a car that gets good gas mileage, and drive slower!
     
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