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OT: Custer

Discussion in 'For Sale- Members only' started by map@neo, Mar 19, 2010.

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  1. map@neo

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    Question for you military historians: Was George Armstrong Custer a Lt. Colonel or a Major General at the Battle of the Little Bighorn? Research is very confusing. Thanks.

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    All I know is that he left the Gatling gun at the Fort.
     
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    map check your private messages Mike
     
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    what did custer say on his last stand?????---gees i wish i'd brot more shells!
     
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    He is buried at West Point Military Cemetery as a Major General.
    Very confusing!

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    You can look it up, but at toward the end of the Civil War he was Breveted a Major General due to his valor. After the Civil War in order to remain in service, he accepted a lower rank of Colonel, he had political aspirations and was looking for glory in order to obtain recognition. His quest for glory and underestimating his enemy got him killed!

    There are lots of good books about him and the myths surrounding him and his death. Biff
     
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    OT: Custer's Last Stand

    I believe the Major General rank was a field rank that was awarded during the civil war (September, 1864 when took command of the 3rd Cav Div). Custer may have been the youngest field officer to achieve Major General, I am not sure because it has been so long since I have studied this situation. After the war Custer was reduced in rank and suspended from command for a year due to the results of a court martial to a Lt. Colonel which I believe was his rank at the time of the Little Bighorn battle. What may have caused the confusion for you could be the many references to "General" Custer made around the time of his last stand. It was common in post Civil War days to refer to a soldier by his highest rank attained. Of course Custer did nothing to stop this reference in that his ego was pretty huge.
     
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    CLASSIC case of underestimating the enemy!

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    Major General in the volunteers during the Civil War. Lt. Colonel in the U.S. Army. Then buried as a Major General at West Point Military Cemetary. Still don't get it. What in God's name was he at the time of his death? Both?

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    Read about it, then decide for yourself. Don't wait around here for trapshooters to tell you how or what to think! Biff
     
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    Very good point. More reseach! Thank you.

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    I heard a rumor that he wore arrow shirts.
     
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    Them injuns got Henrys! (and they weren't made in Joysey)

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    Ltc when the bullet hit him. Before dying, a couple of Angels flew down and restored his stars. Incidentally, his brother Tom had two medals of honor.
     
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    An artist was hired to draw a very large mural of Custers` last thoughts.

    He drew a very large cow with a halo around its horns and many Indians fornicating in the foreground.

    When challenged to explain how his mural tied in with Custers` last thoughts he said it was easy.

    Custer took one look at the enemy and thought "Holy cow, look at those
    f----ing Indians.
     
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    GAC was a LTC at the time of his death. As posted earlier, he was a breveted MG in the volunteers and at the close of the war reduced to Captain and then later promoted to LTC. Technically, he was not the commander of the 7th Cav. COL. Surgis was the official commander of the 7th. His son, a LT. is the only officer buried on the field, all the rest were exhumed and buried elsewhere.

    It was a common occurance to refer to a soldier by the hightest rank he achieved and Custer is buried or at least someone's body is buried at West Point along with Libbie Custer with the rank of MG. They are not sure if the body buried there is really Custer's as when the Army returned to the battlefield a while later, the bones were scattered all over the field.

    There is a great book out, written by Dr. Thomas Marquette, "Save the Last Bullet for Yourself". Libbie kept the book from being published for many years as it told the Indian side of the fight. It dealt with the suicide of the soldiers especially in Tom Custer's C Troop who where caught in a ravine leading down to the Little Bigh Horn. The Indians who fought there did not know Custer was even on the field. His hair was cut short and covered with dirt and dust from the forced march. Some Indians who engaged the 7th at Medicine Tail Coulee stated that they believe Custer was killed there as they shot a soldier in bucksins in the left breast, the troops made a special effort to keep him in the saddle and retreated back up towards the ridge. Custer was found witha bullet wound in the left breast and temple. If this is true, Captain Myles W. Keogh would have assumed command of the the command as he was the senior captain and a breveted LTC during the war. According to the Indians and later, digs at the battlefield, indicate that only two of the 5 companies with Custer, put up any real resistance, Keogh's and Custer's brother in law, Calhaoun. This fight bascially wiped out the male line of that Custer family, George, Tom, Boston, all brothers and their newphew Autie Reed along with their brother in law. I did part of my museum science internship at the battlefield while attending the U of Wyoming and have spent many long hot hours on that battlefield.


    Van
     
  17. Setterman

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    very interesting Van.
     
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    If you like Vans report on Custer, just get him going on the War of Northern aggression. Very knowledgable. Jake
     
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    Thanks, Van...
     
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    "The white man made us many promises; more than I can remember; but he only kept one: he promised to take our land...and he took it." - Chief Red Cloud.

    Kinda sad, huh? Guess you could look at it this way, the white men won, fair and square. Now all we're left with is Cleveland Indians, Milwaukee Braves, Kansas City Chiefs, and Washington Redskins...others? Regards, Ed
     
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