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Origin of the Over & Under Shotgun

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  1. berettaman7

    berettaman7 TS Member

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    I often read comments about the origin of the over and under shotgun being attributed to John Moses Browning, yet the patent for his design dates back to March 30, 1926, and in fact there are O/U shotguns made, amongst others, Charles Lancaster, dating back to 1915, and there are also claims that Merkel actually invented the O/U.

    I welcome your insight on this topic; documented fact is preferred over conjecture.

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  2. Finprof

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    The Beretta catalog from 15 years or so ago had a picture of an over-and-under wheellock musket that was made by Beretta in the late 1600's. At eh time they also sold a replica of it. Since a musket is basically a 20 gauge shotgun and can shoot either ball or shot, the over-and-under would go back at least 300 years.
    There are probably earlier versions.
     
  3. berettaman7

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    Interesting, it would appear that there were several Over and under firearm designs yet J.M. Browning had a more affordable design which changed the market.

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  4. ChairborneRanger

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    Not to be a smarta**, but I typically like to think of it as an Under/Over.
     
  5. Harold

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    In W. W. Greener's book, The Gun and its Development, he does not claim to be the inventor of the "under and over" gun but there is a picture of an Under and Over Wedge-fast gun which opened sideways, with a vertical hinge. He had this to say about under and over guns:

    "The first successful double guns were built with the barrels over and under, and not side by side, and certainly not until after the introduction of the wheel-lock into Italy. The first inventor of the double gun appears to be one Giuliano Bossi, of Rome, who in 1616 wrote describing the qualities and advantages of the double arms of his design.

    "The pistol illustrated fully explains itself, as the weapon was so formed as to shoot with either barrel uppermost, and was only the crude idea of a double-barreled fire-arm."

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    "Instead of placing the barrels of double guns side by side, they were in the earliest firearms superposed. The author has made several modern guns upon the same plan, using the drop-down principle for rifles and a vertical hinge joint for shot guns."
     
  6. berettaman7

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    This subject gets more interesting by the minute, it would appear that buying W.W. GreenerĀ“s book THE GUN AND ITS DEVELOPMENT might be a good idea.

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    Its good reading, I just ordered mine.

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