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old Ithaca guns Victory,4e,6e,7e all Flues variety

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  1. BILL GRILL

    BILL GRILL Well-Known Member

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    Well now that we are locked into the doldrums of winter and I am bored to death,I thought I might bore you with some Ithaca trivia and a little eye candy.

    Ithaca first introduced a single barrel trap gun in 1914, designed by Emil F. Flues. The Flues model was produced until 1922 when the Knicks was introduced. Flues guns came in grades Victory, 4E, 5E, 6E, 7E and Sousa.

    In 1914 the 4E was the lowest grade produced with a list price of $100.00. It was raised to $125.00 in 1919.

    The First World War ended in November 1918. In 1919 the Victory Grade was introduced with plainer wood and less engraving. Ithaca was trying to produce a gun the returning soldiers could afford. It had a list price of $75.00.

    The following pictures are of a Victory Grade produced in 1919, with straight stock and 34" barrel. Recoil pad is not original.
     
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    OMG, Bill. What a beautiful Ithaca; and I see you also have the correct, lustrous shop environment in which to display it.

    Gene in Illinois
     
  4. BILL GRILL

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    I will post pictures of a 5e,6e, and 7e in the next few days. Some have pistol grip stocks some have straight stocks. All have 34" barrels.I do not have a 4e Flues or a Sousa so out of luck there.

    Gene, gun room is done but still missing door. Will see if I can get my wife to do a virtual tour after I clean it up and dust. :)
     
  5. Bob Hawkes

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    Was mine a 4e Flues that I watched a fellow just smoke targets with one after another? Don't think he missed three in a 125 or 150;)
     
  6. BILL GRILL

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    Bob, I'm damn sure it was a 4e and a nice one to boot. :)
     
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    Bill:
    Here in the Milwaukee area we had a long time area gunsmith that serviced trapshooters by the name of Jack. He told me a story one day that made me cringe.

    In the 60's, a customer came in to his shop with a beautiful 5E. He asked Jack to place a Cutts on the barrel. Jack spent a half hour telling him that he would ruin such a beautiful gun by doing that.

    The owner told him if he would not do it, he would find another gunsmith that would. Long story short, he did it for him. Jack told me, when the owner picked up the gun, he was so happy that he had a cutts installed.

    A couple years later the same man wanted to sell the gun and was upset with the price he was being offered.
    Steve Balistreri
     
  8. shot410ga

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    Bill, we have yet to see any of your annual winter pictures of the weather up there. It's 66 here today and I was hoping to see some of your snow.....
     
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    That 4E bears a very strong resemblance to my old Ithaca built Lefever SBT. Only thing I notice is it's either a dust ball or a BIG ZERO, not much fringe area. Ross Puls
     
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    I tried to get a couple of my old west gun projects out of the safe the other day. Gave up. Safe is so jammed full it's like a Chinese puzzle. I'll never get them all back in. Going to look for a small safe I can put some of the gun projects into to work on.
     
  11. BILL GRILL

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    So here is the 5e Flues. This gun was made in 1916. I believe it has not been messed with except for recoil pad.

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    Will post the grade 6 tomorrow.
     
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    Bill:
    I have to say it again. Your gun room is by far the most elegant I've seen. With the possible exception of a trip to Holland & Holland in London, I can't imagine a nicer place to display those Ithacas.

    You are one heck of a carpenter.

    Gene in Illinois
     
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    I have two Victory's but they don't look as good as those UP guns. They are the most pleasant trap guns I ever shot. Senior Smoke, there used to be a 4E floating around NW Ohio with a Cutts. The guy was trying to get $75. for it 40something years ago.
     
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    About the same time I recall a 4E on the mn gun show circut.I am sure this was done more than once.


    Fifteen two and a pair is four

    Bill
     
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    Ok as promised here is the grade 6 flues. Made in 1918. This gun was WELL used and shot alot when it came to me. I had all intensions of doing a full restoration. So far I have had all mechanicals fixed and returned to good working condition. Then I had restoration on metal done, blueing, case colors, gold plating on trigger, ect. sixes are kinda scarce. This one came from clayscoach off trapshooters. I would like to thank him for passing it on to me. I hope he approves of the work so far. Wood is next on list.

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    Ok so here is the 7e made in 1916. I had the metal restored. Reciever recase colored. Barrel reblued. It has a 34" barrel also. Wood is not to bad. I might just leave it alone. This one also came from clayscoach.

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    Who did the case-coloring on the 6 and 7? Nice work.
     
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