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Odumbass treatment of the military

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  1. Oscar Ray

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    TRASHING TRICARE

    OBAMA TO CUT HEALTHCARE BENEFITS FOR ACTIVE DUTY AND RETIRED US MILITARY

    The Obama administration’s proposed defense budget calls for military families and retirees to pay sharply more for their healthcare, while leaving unionized civilian defense workers’ benefits untouched. The proposal is causing a major rift within the Pentagon, according to U.S. officials. Several congressional aides suggested the move is designed to increase the enrollment in Obamacare’s state-run insurance exchanges.

    The disparity in treatment between civilian and uniformed personnel is causing a backlash within the military that could undermine recruitment and retention.

    The proposed increases in health care payments by service members, which must be approved by Congress, are part of the Pentagon’s $487 billion cut in spending. It seeks to save $1.8 billion from the Tricare medical system in the fiscal 2013 budget, and $12.9 billion by 2017.

    Many in Congress are opposing the proposed changes, which would require the passage of new legislation before being put in place.

    “We shouldn’t ask our military to pay our bills when we aren’t willing to impose a similar hardship on the rest of the population,” Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and a Republican from California, said in a statement to the Washington Free Beacon. “We can’t keep asking those who have given so much to give that much more.”

    Administration officials told Congress that one goal of the increased fees is to force military retirees to reduce their involvement in Tricare and eventually opt out of the program in favor of alternatives established by the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare.

    “When they talked to us, they did mention the option of healthcare exchanges under Obamacare. So it’s in their mind,” said a congressional aide involved in the issue.

    Military personnel from several of the armed services voiced their opposition to a means-tested tier system for Tricare, prompting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey to issue a statement Feb. 21.

    Dempsey said the military is making tough choices in cutting defense spending. In addition to the $487 billion over 10 years, the Pentagon is facing automatic cuts that could push the total reductions to $1 trillion.

    “I want those of you who serve and who have served to know that we’ve heard your concerns, in particular your concern about the tiered enrollment fee structure for Tricare in retirement,” Dempsey said. “You have our commitment that we will continue to review our health care system to make it as responsive, as affordable, and as equitable as possible.”

    Under the new plan, the Pentagon would get the bulk of its savings by targeting under-65 and Medicare-eligible military retirees through a tiered increase in annual Tricare premiums that will be based on yearly retirement pay.

    Significantly, the plan calls for increases between 30 percent to 78 percent in Tricare annual premiums for the first year. After that, the plan will impose five-year increases ranging from 94 percent to 345 percent—more than 3 times current levels.

    According to congressional assessments, a retired Army colonel with a family currently paying $460 a year for health care will pay $2,048.

    The new plan hits active duty personnel by increasing co-payments for pharmaceuticals and eliminating incentives for using generic drugs.

    The changes are worrying some in the Pentagon who fear it will severely impact efforts to recruit and maintain a high-quality all-volunteer military force. Such benefits have been a key tool for recruiting qualified people and keeping them in uniform.

    “Would you stay with a car insurance company that raised your premiums by 345 percent in five years? Probably not,” said the congressional aide. “Would anybody accept their taxes being raised 345 percent in five years? Probably not.”

    A second congressional aide said the administration’s approach to the cuts shows a double standard that hurts the military.

    “We all recognize that we are in a time of austerity,” this aide said. “But defense has made up to this point 50 percent of deficit reduction cuts that we agreed to, but is only 20 percent of the budget.”

    The administration is asking troops to get by without the equipment and force levels needed for global missions. “And now they are going to them again and asking them to pay more for their health care when you’ve held the civilian workforce at DoD and across the federal government virtually harmless in all of these cuts. And it just doesn’t seem fair,” the second aide said.

    Spokesmen for the Defense Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff did not respond to requests for comment on the Tricare increases.

    The massive increases beginning next year appear timed to avoid upsetting military voters in a presidential election year, critics of the plan say.

    Additionally, the critics said leaving civilian workers’ benefits unchanged while hitting the military reflect the administration’s effort to court labor unions, as government unions are the only segment of organized labor that has increased in recent years.

    As part of the increased healthcare costs, the Pentagon also will impose an annual fee for a program called Tricare for Life, a new program that all military retirees automatically must join at age 65. Currently, to enroll in Tricare for Life, retirees pay the equivalent of a monthly Medicare premium.

    Under the proposed Pentagon plan, retirees will be hit with an additional annual enrollment fee on top of the monthly premium.

    Congressional aides said that despite unanimous support among the military chiefs for the current healthcare changes, some senior officials in the Pentagon are opposing the reforms, in particular the tiered system of healthcare.

    “It doesn’t matter what the benefit is, whether it’s commissary, PX, or healthcare, or whatever … under the rationale that if you raise your hand and sign up to serve, you earn a base set of benefits, and it should have nothing to do with your rank when you served, and how much you’re making when you retire,” the first aide said.

    Military service organizations are opposing the healthcare changes and say the Pentagon is “means-testing” benefits for service personnel as if they were a social program, and not something earned with 20 or more years of military service.

    Retired Navy Capt. Kathryn M. Beasley, of the Military Officers Association of America, said the Military Coalition, 32 military service and veterans groups with an estimated 5 million members, is fighting the proposed healthcare increases, specifically the use of mean-testing for cost increases.

    “We think it’s absolutely wrong,” Beasley told the Free Beacon. “This is a breach of faith” for both the active duty and retiree communities.

    Congressional hearings are set for next month.

    The Veterans of Foreign Wars on Feb. 23 called on all military personnel and the veterans’ community to block the healthcare increases.

    “There is no military personnel issue more sacrosanct than pay and benefits,” said Richard L. DeNoyer, head of the 2 million-member VFW. “Any proposal that negatively impacts any quality of life program must be defeated, and that’s why the VFW is asking everyone to join the fight and send a united voice to Congress.”

    Senior Air Force leaders are expected to be asked about the health care cost increases during a House Armed Services Committee hearing scheduled for Tuesday.

    Congress must pass all the proposed changes into law, as last year’s defense authorization bill preemptively limited how much the Pentagon could increase some Tricare fees, while other fees already were limited in law.

    Tricare for Life, Tricare Prime, and Tricare Standard increases must be approved, as well as some of the pharmacy fee increases, congressional aides said.

    Current law limits Tricare fee increases to cost of living increases in retirement pay.

    http://freebeacon.com/trashing-tricare/

    Oscar
     
  2. sernv99

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    "Several congressional aides suggested the move is designed to increase the enrollment in Obamacare’s state-run insurance exchanges."


    Congressional aides = sock puppets. It is especially worrisome that a lot of them lack real world working and military experience and are trying to tell their constituents what's best for them. Geez...


    "The disparity in treatment between civilian and uniformed personnel is causing a backlash within the military that could undermine recruitment and retention."


    Well, it's fact that the services are CUTTING military personnel from the ranks, as relayed in the media the past couple of months so that clearly blunts the argument of <could undermine recruitment and retention.> And I work with plenty of military personnel day in and day out and I have not heard a whisper of grumbling about any disparity in treatment between the civilian workforce and the military personnel assigned to the various federal agencies. This backlash must be happening in another part of the country.


    "The Veterans of Foreign Wars on Feb. 23 called on all military personnel and the veterans’ community to block the healthcare increases."


    yeah, I'm all for the VFW but I don't think a CIVILIAN organization (VFW) should be instigating ANY military personnel to challenge policies and directives issued through their chain of command. That's complete B.S and sets a precedent that military personnel can challenge policies and directives at the behest of a civilian organization. The military isn't a "ok, raise your hands if you think this new policy is not fair" type of organization. What a crock of $hit. What's next, military personnel allowed to form unions and decide what type of work they should and should not perform? I don't know where this free thinking type of garbage is coming from but anyone who has served in a line unit knows, $hit rolls down hill, do as your told, if you don't like the benefits, you have the option to not "re-up" once your enlistment/officer contract is complete. Plain and simple. When you serve in the military, you are there to serve the United States, not have the United States serving you. Some people just don't get that concept.
     
  3. Jim101

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    sernv99 Would you please post your work and/or home address. I would like to have a personal chat with you about the military.




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  4. Catpower

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    Jim he's a hide behind his Mommy's dress lib, he would never give out any personal info like that he's one of those he men when he hides behind his almighty keyboard, but would pee his panties if somebody said BOO
     
  5. sernv99

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    I see the internet tough guys are out in full force now...

    so Jim, tell me something about the military that I didn't learn in my 4 years at Ft. Bragg as a 11B1P. Hmmmm, hard to recall any of us active duty personnel assigned to a line unit being encouraged to "protest" policies and directives as issued by our chain of command at the behest of a civilian organization. So if you support that and, well that says a lot.
     
  6. Oscar Ray

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    The military retirees are getting SHIT on period, The End...... Their benefits are being cut, Their health care is what odumbass is messing with.

    sernv99, You must have been at Bragg during the time they were called "The Jumpin Junkies" because it sure seems like you are hitting the crack pipe. Cutting any military benefits should be a big NO-NO. Those that serve or have served deserve better than a CIC that despises them and trys to close his inflated buget on their backs. And yes, I have 6 yrs active duty and was 11B3PH

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  7. Libra1310

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    My 27 year old Iraq and Afghanistan vet cousin is being told his benefits are going to be cut. The kid has had 7 surgeries on his wrists being a top gunner on a humvee. To take anything away from him or any other vet is pure BULLSHIT. I know the rules on this site for using bad language and I apologize if anyone is offended but of all people to take from, the guys and girls who volunteered to put their lives on the line are not the ones. I'll gladly give up some of my benefits for them.

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    or and catpower, sounds like you are not contributing enough to the fund through your taxes......you guys want this fight, man up and help pay for it. And stop bashing those that realize that this chest beating contest the US is in, ain't gonna be cheap......you just figured someone else was paying for it, right? Ya sound like typical government employees......everything to them is just funding.
     
  9. jagrdawger

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    Military do have the RIGHT to speak out about their service, how it operates and its future. There are also limits to how they can speak out. Challenging your superiors, NO, and there is nothing they can do anyhow unless it is at the highest 4 star level. And, I do not think that is what they were advocating.

    So how can the military speak out, let me count some of the ways:

    1. Call your representatives and senators

    2. Fill out the surveys sent out by the service, but beware of the wording. Use the comment section.

    3. Contribute to or join organizations that support the military such as VFW, Legion, MOAA, AUSA, etc... that lobby on behalf of the service members.

    4. VOTE

    If anyone learned everything about the military in 4 short years of service they should named the Secretary of Defense. of course you can get that job with no military service. When you start working on your retirement packet at 20+ years I assure you there are many things (about how you can get screwed) that you never heard during the first 4 years.

    In my 20+ years I have seen benefits change, get recalculated with new formulas that seem to only benefit the federal budget, occasionally increase and more often continually erode. Am I concerned with the changes. Sure, like most soon to be retirees I am feeling the effects of years of physical abuse and do not look forward to seeing the full faith of our government towards taking care of its service men and women become a broken faith.

    Benefits and retirement are a huge part of our recruiting system to get the quality of current force.

    Check out the sites below. I am sure there is something to learned.

    http://www.moaa.org/

    http://www.vfw.org/

    http://www.ausa.org/Pages/default.aspx
     
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    Another way of speaking out is the MOS you accept....there's more to the military than being a grunt. In today's military if you end up a grunt it was your fault or choice. A large amount of-the rhetoric, comes from soldiers who served less that 4 years....there used to be a very large number that only served 2+ yrs......there the ones that seem to talk the most crap when it comes to a discussion about what the military really does.....they always said it took at least 6yrs to understand what your mos really is.

    I remember the 2yr drafted soldier, very well.
     
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    This has nothing to do with Obama

    It is a fight raged every budget and every year

    DOD gets a proposed pot of money and they allocate it. I have never agreed with DOD managing the retiree programs because of this. The reason though is that DOD is treated like a corporation in that it has a tremendous number of programs to get people in the door and serving and some of those programs have significant costs after the people have completed their service.

    DOD however cannot be faulted for using this approach. They are trying to get the funds to the people fighting the battles on the ground now and in the future.

    Some of the increases go for optional programs such as tri care prime. Many people cant even sign up for tri care prime.

    Also not discussed is that every person that has tricare after service also can be seen themselves at the Veterans Administration. They actually have two different medical plans already.

    Plain and simple there is a tremendous amount of misinformation here.

    It then goes through the normal congressional process

    There is a tremendous amount of misinformation here but if you want to get involved then contact your congress person

    Regards from Iowa

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    Looks to me like it is a proposed Pentagon plan. Political rhetoric makes it a proposed Obama plan.

    Under the proposed Pentagon plan, retirees will be hit with an additional annual enrollment fee on top of the monthly premium.

    Military personnel from several of the armed services voiced their opposition to a means-tested tier system for Tricare, prompting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey to issue a statement Feb. 21.

    Dempsey said the military is making tough choices in cutting defense spending. In addition to the $487 billion over 10 years, the Pentagon is facing automatic cuts that could push the total reductions to $1 trillion.

    “I want those of you who serve and who have served to know that we’ve heard your concerns, in particular your concern about the tiered enrollment fee structure for Tricare in retirement,” Dempsey said. “You have our commitment that we will continue to review our health care system to make it as responsive, as affordable, and as equitable as possible.”
     
  13. Catpower

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    221, the only time I was a government employee was when I did my stint in the Air Force

    And I've paid my fair share of taxes, there have been years when my income tax was over $110,000 not counting the other taxes

    But cutting military benefits is wrong, I know no one signed a contract that guaranteed the benefits, but they were told they had them all of their career, so the government should pay them

    I have a good idea, just take away the bennies from the pols in Washington to pay for the people who defend their rights to screw all of us
     
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    I gave 26 years of my life to the Military. I was told when I went in the Military that I would have FREE health care for the rest of my life(after I retired).The Government Brock there promise on that.I retired in 1986, spent a year in SEA(Vietnam) & 3 remote tours over seas(1 year ea unaccompanied).

    Hank Kugel
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  15. Oscar Ray

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    I pay plenty of taxes, I never said I wanted this war, but we are in it, so we should be in it to win, not so odumbo can get re-elected. He is the one cutting military bugets (or ordering the pentagon to) Odumbass thinks that by draconian cuts in the military buget, he will have more money to spend on his so vital social programs and another 50 weeks or so of unemployment.

    Our military was promised certain benefits, now odumbass wants to cut that to the bone, which is WRONG.

    So I do not need to man up and pay more taxes, if you had to pay my tax bill you would be shocked!

    Oscar
     
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    hawkeye kid, What health care that you were promised, are you not getting?
     
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