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Obamy to limit access to BLM land

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by 391 shooter, Nov 16, 2011.

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  1. 391 shooter

    391 shooter Well-Known Member

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    I thought you folks would like a look at this proposal from the [his] administration.

    One nail at a time for gun control. This bunch has got to go.

    Please vote in 2012.
     
  2. 391 shooter

    391 shooter Well-Known Member

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    If it does not open for you, go to DRUDGE.com for the article.
     
  3. Joe Potosky

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    Gun owners who have historically been able to use public lands for target practice would be barred from potentially millions of acres under new rules drafted by the Interior Department, the first major move by the Obama administration to impose limits on firearms.

    Officials say the administration is concerned about the potential clash between gun owners and encroaching urban populations who like to use same land for hiking and dog walking.

    “It’s not so much a safety issue. It’s a social conflict issue,” said Frank Jenks, a natural resource specialist with Interior’s Bureau of Land Management, which oversees 245 million acres. He adds that urbanites “freak out” when they hear shooting on public lands. [Read about the subpoena issued as a result of Operation Fast and Furious.]

    If the draft policy is finally approved, some public access to Bureau lands to hunters would also be limited, potentially reducing areas deer, elk, and bear hunters can use in the West.

    Conservationists and hunting groups, however, are mounting a fight. One elite group of conservationists that advises Interior and Agriculture is already pushing BLM to junk the regulations, claiming that shooters are being held to a much higher safety standard than other users of public lands, such as ATV riders.

    “They are just trying to make it so difficult for recreational shooters,” said Gary Kania, vice president of the Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation. His group is one of several, including the National Wildlife Foundation, Cabela’s and Ducks Unlimited, on the Wildlife and Hunting Heritage Conservation Council fighting the new rules. During a two-day meeting ending this afternoon, they are drafting their own changes to the BLM rules.

    “What we probably are going to be looking forward to is a reversal,” said Kania. Asked about how to handle people who freak out when they hear shots on public lands, Kania said, “I don’t know how to quanitify ‘freaking out,’” and noted that he’s seen people panicing when fly fishing in float tubes but nobody wants to ban then from rivers.

    BLM actually invited the fight, seeking the council’s comments. But officials suggested to Whispers that no changes are being planned to the draft regulations.

    Over five pages, the draft BLM regulations raise concerns about how shooting can cause a “public disturbance.” They also raise worries about how shooting and shooters can hurt plants and litter public lands.

    This is the key paragraph foes say could lead to shooters being kicked off public lands:

    “When the authorized officer determines that a site or area on BLM-managed lands used on a regular basis for recreational shooting is creating public disturbance, or is creating risk to other persons on public lands; is contributing to the defacement, removal or destruction of natural features, native plants, cultural resources, historic structures or government and/or private property; is facilitating or creating a condition of littering, refuse accumulation and abandoned personal property is violating existing use restrictions, closure and restriction orders, or supplementary rules notices, and reasonable attempts to reduce or eliminate the violations by the BLM have been unsuccessful, the authorized officer will close the affected area to recreational shooting.” [Check out new Debate Club about whether Congress needs to overhaul gun trafficking laws.]

    Squeezing out shooters, says the draft policy, is needed because, “As the West has become more populated, recreational shooters now often find themselves in conflict with other public lands users, and the BLM is frequently called on to mediate these conflicts.”

    At yesterday’s meeting at Interior, the council balked at the BLM draft regulations, adding that the Obama administration was not being fair to shooters on the issue of safety.

    In a draft retort to BLM, the council said other users of public land aren’t required to be as safe as shooters. They note that shooters have a much lower injury rate than others, like ATV users. “The policy fails to recognize that recreational shooting has one of the lowest incidences of death and injury compared to virtually any other outdoor recreational activity. The policy is prejudicial and discriminatory to target shooters as compared to other recreationists,” said the council’s draft response, expected to be finalized today.

    What’s more, the group charged that the BLM is acting in a contradictory fashion, encouraging the shooting sports while limiting shooting areas.

    See: the month’s best political cartoons. Read more: about Operation Fast and Furious. Check out: our editorial cartoons on President Obama. Tags: Barack Obama, gun control and gun rights « Previous Post Reader Comments Read all comments (31) Add Your Thoughts Comment 3000 characters left Name State Email Please enter the two words below into the text field underneath the image.

    Enter the words above: Your comment will be posted immediately, unless it is spam or contains profanity. For more information, please see our Comments FAQ. Well, heck, let’s ban electric cars on public lands, because I freak out when I suddenly see some city person comes barreling down a road in their electric car and I can’t hear them coming because they run so quietly. Let’s ban hikers on public lands because they crush plants and that hurts more plants than a few bullets which are generally aimed at dirt for target practice. Let’s ban boats on public waters because they scare the fish. Let’s ban all humans from public lands due to any damage they might do and because meeting another human on public land could cause the other human to freak out. However, by all means, let’s NOT ban OWS protestors from taking over private or public property, because even if other people freak out when they defecate on that property, or rape women, they support the Democratic party, so they should be allowed to do anything. Obama….hands off our gun rights!!!

    JOHNDD of NM 9:44AM November 16, 2011 [report comment] This country is about to fall off a very high cliff into a totalitarian bowl of poo-poo! Grab your bonnet!

    RIGHTSTUFF of TX 9:43AM November 16, 2011 [report comment] I’ll consider this the day that the Obama Administration does something about the encroachment of the Mexican drug cartels into the public lands in the southern states. There are literally state parks that we’re advised not to enter. THAT is a real threat to the public.

    Btw, I’m not a hunter and not into gun sports. I just see the massive disconnect and shake my head. The government is rearranging the deck chairs while the Titanic is sinking. It’s ridiculous.
     
  4. slic lee

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    The BLM is a common area of the US set aside for the use of all citizens.
    The pres and his administration are not allowing a certain group (shooters)from the use of this land. Our taxes go to the salary of and the upkeep of all of said land. We should therefore be allowed under the equal act to have a reduction of taxes as we are being singled out by the pres and his administration not to be allowed on this land. Lee
     
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    Welcome to stealth gun control.
     
  6. b12

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    If you think you have a right to the land just because you pay taxes and are part owner as a tax paying citzen the you better get good advice from Barry Obamma. You know the one you voted for.

    If he decrees it then it shall be. No matter which way his decision will go. Nobody will stand against it . He has gotten away with everything else just because he says so. Hech we don't have a government anymore. The chicken hearts won't guestion the law. Wild Bill
     
  7. Joe Potosky

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    This restriction is no more as reported this PM.
     
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