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Obama's Speech on Race: He Blew It

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  1. sako2115

    sako2115 TS Member

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    (I feel that trapshooters, as a group, are conservative, yet misunderstood..I've found trapshooters to be very fair and democratic (not Democratic) in their dealings. Hence, I wanted to post the following which helps disperse my anger towards Obama. I felt the following is a breath of fresh air re. its viewpoint. Thanks my presumptious assumption of your indulgence.)



    The following was written by a the director of the New York Civil Rights Coalition. Sorry if I at first didn't clarify that before one individual read the post and gave me the credit for writing the following!!! I'm only smart enough to cut and paste and sometimes read, not write as well as the following.

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    Obama blew it
    What the candidate should have said about race.
    By Michael Meyers

    March 20, 2008

    Tim Rutten's column, "Obama's Lincoln moment <http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rutten19mar19%2C0%2C5754610.column> " and The Times editorial, "Obama on race <http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-speech19mar19%2C0%2C6236314.story> " both miss the mark.

    In my considered judgment as a race and civil rights specialist, I would say that Barack Obama's "momentous" speech on race settled on merely "explaining" so-called racial differences between blacks and whites -- and in so doing amplified deep-seated racial tensions and divisions. Instead of giving us a polarizing treatise on the "black experience," Obama should have reiterated the theme that has brought so many to his campaign: That race ain't what it used to be in America.

    He should have presented us a pathway out of our racial boxes and a road map for new thinking about race. He should have depicted his minister, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., as a symbol of the dysfunctional angry men who are stuck in the past and who must yield to a new generation of color-blind, hopeful Americans and to a new global economy in which we will look on our neighbors' skin color no differently than how we look on their eye color.

    In fact, I'd say that considering the nation's undivided attention to this all-important speech, which gave him an unrivaled opportunity to lift us out of racial and racist thinking, Obama blew it.

    I waited in vain for our hybrid presidential candidate to speak the simple truth that there is no such thing as "race," that we all belong to the same race -- the human race. I waited for him to mesmerize us with a singular and focused appeal to hold all candidates to the same standards no matter their race or their sex or their age. But instead Obama gave us a full measure of racial rhetoric about how some of us with an "untrained ear" -- meaning whites and Asians and Latinos -- don't understand and can't relate to the so-called black experience.

    Well, I am black, and I can't relate to a "black experience" that shields and explains old-style black ministers who rant and rave about supposed racial differences and about how America ought to be damned. I long ago broke away from all associations and churches that preached the gospel of hate and ethnic divisiveness -- including canceling my membership in 100 Black Men of America Inc., when they refused my motion to admit women and whites. They still don't. I was not going to stay in any group that assigned status or privileges of membership based solely on race or gender.

    We and our leaders -- especially our candidates for the highest office in the land -- must repudiate all forms of racial idiocy and sexism, and be judged by whether we still belong to exclusionary or hateful groups. I don't know any church that respects, much less reflects, my personal beliefs in the absolute equality of all people, so I choose not to belong to any of them. And I would never -- as have some presidential candidates -- accept the endorsement of preachers of the gospel according to the most racist and sexist of doctrines.

    But someone's race or religion is not mine or anybody else's concern. I couldn't care less that Wright is a Christian or that Louis Farrakhan professes to be a Muslim. I couldn't care less whether the hateful minister who endorsed John McCain is, deep inside, a decent man or a fundamentalist. But I do care about these pastors' divisive and crazed words; I do care that their "sermons" exploit and pander to the worst fears and passions of people based on perceptions and misperceptions about race. I hate that these preachers' sermons prejudge people's motives or behavior based on
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    their race or ethnicity. I hate the haters, and I expected Obama to make a straightforward speech about what has become the Hate Hour -- and the most segregated hour -- in America on Sunday mornings.

    I expected Obama, who up to now had been steering a perfect course away from the racial boxes of the past, to challenge racial labels and so-called black experiences. We're all mixed up, and if we haven't yet been by the process of miscegenation, trans-racial adoptions and interracial marriage, we sure ought to get used to how things will be in short order.

    That would have been the forward-looking message of a visionary candidate. But Obama erred by looking backward -- as far back as slavery. What does slavery have to do with the price of milk at the grocery store? He referenced continuing segregation, especially segregated public schools, but stopped short. What is he going to do about them? How does he feel about public schools for black boys or single-sex public schools and classes? What does the gospel according to Wright say about such race-based and gender-specific schemes for getting around our civil rights laws?

    We can't be united as a nation if we continue to think racially and give credence to racial experiences and differences based on ethnicity, past victim status and stereotypical categories. All of these prejudices surrounding tribe-against-tribe are old-hat and dysfunctional -- especially the rants of ministers, of whatever skin color or religion, who appeal to our base prejudices and to superstitions about our supposed racial differences. The man or woman who talks plainly about our commonality as a race of human beings, about our future as one nation indivisible, rather than about our discredited and disunited past, is, I predict, likely to finish ahead of the pack and do us a great public service.

    Michael Meyers is executive director of the New York Civil Rights Coalition <http://nycivilrights.org/home/index.jsp> and a former assistant national director of the NAACP. These views are his own.
     
  2. michmoe

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    Very well said sako2115...I dont know why so much is made about this.I dont see color...only the measure of the man.Cant understand why so much is made of this other then for some it is a chance to get under the spotlight as the media seems to really feed on this type of thing.Hell,after reading what you posted here,I'd vote for you for prez!!!...Thanks for the wonderful insight.
     
  3. sako2115

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    Hi Michoe,

    Ah...I didn't write what was posted, it was written by some African American guy who became tired of so much rhetoric and focus on the past by so many in leadership positions. But thanks for the kudos!!
     
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    Great at delivering prepared speeches, stutters and stammers when anyone asks him a question.

    He has all the fools conned, though.

    HM
     
  5. stokinpls

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    22 WAYS TO BE A GOOD DEMOCRAT:

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  6. jakearoo

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    Sako, That was very well written. Nice work.
     
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    sako2115, Thanks for the post, it was a good read!~

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  8. sako2115

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    You are welcome. I emphasize that I certainly did not write the editorial; it came from a surprising and not so surprising source. Check the bottom of the original post. The editorial was sent to me via e from a relative with whom I took issue when he defended Obama's defense. I told him that I was offended by Obama's rhetoric regarding the issue; he disagreed, until he happened to read that which he sent to me and is what I posted here. It was a good read; that it came from an African American leader gave me cause to be more hopeful for clearer thinking and more fairness in our great nation.
     
  9. CalvinMD

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    Translation of Message: If you're caucasion...get ready to be a 2nd,,..maybe 3rd class citizen very soon....and get ready for slavery to make a comeback....thats what we'll be is slaves working off the reparations that Obama will approve..for the civil war...for everything...just my .02$
     
  10. Tripod

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    thanks for the compliment trappy. When a liberal disagrees with me, that means I am doing a lot correctly.
     
  11. Rico46

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    CalvinMD, not many blacks can draw a line to slavery. Reparations are already in place if you can "prove" a direct decendancy to slavery which very few have actually done. Are you truly an MD? If so, it suprises me that some one so educated would post such trash! Just goes to show you that all the education and money can't buy you class.

    Rick
     
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    Trappy, are you related to deckart? Together the 2 of you seem to inhabit only one tiny mind. Remember what the UNCF says: "A mind is a terrible thing to waste".
     
  13. W.P.T.

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    Obama lost the black vote when he said there will be a job for everyone who is able to work, he should of said who wanted to work ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  14. CalvinMD

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    Sorry if I struck a nerve there Rick..those who know me and friends I shoot with of all races know above all that I am not a prejudiced person...but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that when a particular group gets into power these days that its anything but fair to all. Black..White..democrat..Republican...it seems that whomever is in power sees fit to taunt and torture "the other side" and frankly it makes me sick. I personally hope that if Mr. Obama wins the highest office that he is truly found to be a President of ALL the people and not be associated with the likes of trash like Sharpton or Jackson.
    And yes I am a very educated person ..who has been confronted many times that because of the past history of a specific group that demanded that they are owed something and that because of the color of MY skin or the beliefs of MY religion..I'm the one it should come from....Admittedly it does not come from all ..but the few it does have made sure to sour my impression of them and thier people as a whole
     
  15. Brian in Oregon

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    My standard for judging Obama and his racist church attendance is to take the same scenario and place a white candidate in his place.<br>
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    The media and many citizens would have a field day with that, and there would be a hue and cry that the racist white politician is supporting other racists, and needs to pull out of whatever race he's in, and resign from office.<br>
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    Therefore, that's exactly what I think Obama should do.<br>
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    In fact, giving Obama a pass on this because of the color of his skin would be racist.
     
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    Amen Brian...he should be held to the same exact standards and endure the same penalties for violation of them
     
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    Now there, you don't really think that standards should apply to black people do ya? Blacks can do anything the want and say anything they want, and we whities just have to sit there and take it. This, for the unlearned, is because their distant ancestors were once slaves.
     
  18. Rico46

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    Gentleman, you need to be watching the FOX & CNBC station. Obama has been getting a nightly beating over the last month. Bill O'Reilly, Greta Van Sustern, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove and even Juan Williams and Geraldo Riviera were thrashing Obama and Hillary Clinton for their idiotic statments and stances. If your looking for NBC and ABC to do it.forget it!

    Rick

    CalvinMD, I was not calling you a racist, only suprised that a highly educated man would assume because Obama is black that the tides would turn and every thing would be given to the blacks in this country? I expect statements like that from WPT and Brian but not from you!
     
  19. CalvinMD

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    Thats cool Rick...I think that above all that they are politicians...they all speak out of both side of thier faces and will make false promises to any specific group if thats the group whose votes they need to get or keep them in office...that they mostly all began life as lawyers is the major tip-off
     
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