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Obama's Plan for Medicare? Let You Die.

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by JBrooks, Feb 10, 2009.

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  1. JBrooks

    JBrooks TS Member

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    Obama

    These provisions are all hidden in the Porkulus Plan. In short, the Government wants to decide who get treatments and who doesn't. Remember Soylent Green? Well here is some Hope and Change for the old folks. Hope you don't get sick and Change your status from living to dead.

    Commentary by Betsy McCaughey
    Betsy McCaughey is former lieutenant governor of New York and is an adjunct senior fellow at the Hudson Institute

    "“Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.
    Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.
    Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).
    One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions
    The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

    Elderly Hardest Hit

    Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.
    This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

    The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined.

    Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said.”"
     
  2. ronbo142

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    I am not an advocate of any reform to health care but in my oppionion (had to sit in an emergancy room over the weekend with my wife who had fallen off her horse) most of the people that I observed recieving treatment were, over wieght, over medicated, and runing outside to suck on a cancer stick. All they discussed was how much insurance would pay for (if they happened to have insurance) and how they would get out of paying for any service.

    Bottom line I think hospitals should be allowed to refuse treatment if you refused to take care of yourself.

    I have a job, I have health insurance, I don't smoke, I am not fat and I am not a burden on the system why should I have to pay for someone elses in ablity to stand up and take responsiblity for his or her actions.

    Oh wait, I forgot we are a welfare state and the average person is incapable of taking responsdiblity for his or her actions.

    Ronbo
     
  3. dverna

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    Letting the Grim Reaper reduce costs works in Canada. It can take weeks to get an MRI.

    Many Canadians come to the US for treatment if they can afford it.

    Don
     
  4. BT-100dc

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    Do any of you out there believe that the computerization of medical records is just for efficiency and to provide I.T. jobs? Since when is Obama for efficiency? It's part of the infrastructure to fast-track us to "Socialize Medicine". Just keep in mind it doesn't get expensive until it's "free". Look at other countries with socialized medicine; you believe they spend a lot of money on a terminal case or prolonging a 75 year old person's life for a few more years. It trancends from a moral issue to a government (no moral dilemma there) bureaucrat deciding what's best and for whom??? BT-100dc
     
  5. blooch

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    Ronbo.......I suppose we should let you die if you lose a leg and are bleeding out, since by your logic, you would be a burden on mankind if we let you live.

    Your lack of compassion based on dollars is amazing, and I am about as conservative as anyone.
     
  6. bigdogtx

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    ronbo,,,,somebody in DC may not like horses and think that is a "hazardous" activity,,,,remember not everyone has the same view a you or I do

    BT-100dc,,,,Guess who set up the computerization,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,give up,,,,,,it was Bill Clinton,,,,remember who wanted national health care 14 years ago??????funny how the government can take a good and simple idea and GAIN MORE CONTROL over us,,,,maintain a viligant watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  7. halfmile

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    I do remember in the 40's when the tobacco companies had doctors in all their advertising saying how good cigarettes were for you.

    So we followed their lead, and now we are in the wrong.

    Oh yeah. sure. Uh-huh.

    I quit smoking 29 years ago and am happy about it. I would not withhold treatment from someone because they had gotten addicted to tobacco.

    Especially when the government subsidizes the tobacco farmers.

    HM
     
  8. turmite

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    Ronbo I want to tell you a little story. My wife had kidney failure 15 years ago. She had to go on peritoneal dialysis. Following is a short overview of how it works.

    How PD Works
    In PD, a soft tube called a catheter is used to fill your abdomen with a cleansing liquid called dialysis solution. The walls of your abdominal cavity are lined with a membrane called the peritoneum, which allows waste products and extra fluid to pass from your blood into the dialysis solution. The solution contains a sugar called dextrose that will pull wastes and extra fluid into the abdominal cavity. These wastes and fluid then leave your body when the dialysis solution is drained. The used solution, containing wastes and extra fluid, is then thrown away. The process of draining and filling is called an exchange and takes about 30 to 40 minutes. The period the dialysis solution is in your abdomen is called the dwell time. A typical schedule calls for four exchanges a day, each with a dwell time of 4 to 6 hours. Different types of PD have different schedules of daily exchanges.

    One form of PD, continuous ambulatory peritoneal dialysis (CAPD), doesn’t require a machine. As the word ambulatory suggests, you can walk around with the dialysis solution in your abdomen. Another form of PD, continuous cycler-assisted peritoneal dialysis (CCPD), requires a machine called a cycler to fill and drain your abdomen, usually while you sleep. CCPD is also sometimes called automated peritoneal dialysis (APD).


    Would you please read the section that talks about a sugar called dextrose being used in that process. My wife gained a lot of weight while on that system, so I suppose you would just let her die? Wait, she had a kidney transplant and is now on huge amounts of steroids......which make you gain weight. I guess you would let her die. Neither of these side effects were her fault, yet you base you wisdom on what you see. You must be one miserable person because with your judgement system, I bet you don't know enough "normal" people to have any friends!

    Mike
     
  9. JBrooks

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    Anyone who can't stay on a horse and falls off should just be allowed to die.
     
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    The WONDERFUL socialized medical care that the liberals think so much off, has killed millions of people in Europe, where the GOVERNMENT decides who get treatment and when. My German landlord died trying to get treatment for his lung ailments due to chemical poisioning. His wife used to depend on GIs at Bitburg Air Base to get medicines she needed to breath(the government wouldn't COVER them)!!!! OH yea! Hussien Obama and his socialist liberal pals are lkooking out for you!!!!
     
  11. Bisi

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    An AARP was a big supporter of Obama!! Obama's health plan is going to hurt their members the most. Wait till they start to ration medical care. Do you think a 75 year old white trapshooter is going to get the knee replacement surgery or the politically correct illegal 30 year old Hispanic male who busted his knee evading the border patrol? Don't bet on the old white guy getting it.

    To keep cost down, and government controlling it somebody is going to have to do without. You better plan on getting your heart cath before you get on social security, because if you wait until your on insecurity you ain't getting a stent. No stent you die. Government saves all kinds of money, no operation to pay for and no more social security to pay out on your behalf.
     
  12. waterhouselake

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    A lot of docs have already quit practicing prematurely because of the malpractice laws. I see no reason to think that this will do anything but cause more to follow. I have yet to run this by a relative who is both an attorney and an MD...
     
  13. H82MIS

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    "Anyone who can't stay on a horse and falls off should just be allowed to die."

    brooks your a classic,,I'm dying laughin,,, that was your best yet,,,jim

    Do you think he got the message,,,?????

    where is ol quinny girl when ya need her,,,,
     
  14. LWLarson

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    Ronbo...

    Thats a pretty unique view of healthcare... I think you may be on to something. I think skinny people that are genetically pre-disposed to high cholesterol should not get by-pass surgery... Just let them go, bypass surgery is expensive... Gotta weed out those poor genes somehow, if we are lucky maybe they can drop over before reproducing with those horrible genetics...

    LWL
     
  15. KEYBEAR

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    I don,t trust anyone that don,t smoke - Drink - or curse . There was one one guy that did,t do any of that stuff and they crucified him
     
  16. Recoil Sissy

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    Following are two and a half random questions. I don't know the answers. I'd be curious if someone around here does...

    1. Did the AARP officially endorse a presidential candidate? If so, which one?


    2. Would the limits on health suggested in the porkulus bill apply to the medical plan covering current or retired U.S. presidents, representatives, senators and whomever else (for example, surviving spouses) that the plan covers?

    sissy
     
  17. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    The current medical model is to treat disease, injury, infirmities, and degenerative conditions pretty much regardless of age. If the type and amount of medical care I receive in my geezerhood becomes a federal decision and I'm expected to just 'cowboy up' and forgo treatment, maybe medical marijuana will be available nation wide.

    If so, what makes me think liberal dems will Bogart the joint?

    Yours in philosophical thinking,

    sissy
     
  18. stokinpls

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    Obama knows all about medicine. Read this:

    "Heard by now of the "Pay to Play" popularized by Governor Blagojevich, well, here is a good example of how it works.......



    Did you actually think he thought it up, and was the only one playing the game? This is standard politics in Illinois. You know, where Barack Obama came from.....



    'Some employees are simply irreplaceable. Take Michelle Obama: The University of Chicago Medical center hired her in 2002 to run "programs for community relations, neighborhood outreach, volunteer recruitment, staff diversity and minority contracting."

    In 2005 the hospital raised her salary from $120,000 to $317,000 - nearly twice what her husband made as a Senator.

    Oh, did we mention that her husband had just become a US Senator? He sure had. Requested a $1 Million earmark for the UC Medical Center, in fact. Way to network Michelle!

    But now that Mrs. Obama has resigned, the hospital says her position will remain unfilled. How can that be, if the work she did was vital enough to be worth $317,000?

    We can think of only one explanation: Senator Roland Burris's wife wasn't interested.

    ---The Editors of National Review, writing in the Magazine's Feb 9 issue."
     
  19. shadow

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    Ronbo old boy, I'll bet you would change your mind pretty quickly if you or a loved one found out you/they had brain,lung,pancreatic cancer.

    I dont feel too well right now---people like you make me sick !
     
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