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obamas new welfare state- 1.4 trillion dollars

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by slic lee, Feb 12, 2011.

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  1. slic lee

    slic lee Active Member

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    All I wanted to find is since clinton was president who is the largest collector of welfare and food stamps. As you know computers give everything the more you search, so Ill just start with bill clinton.
    He made true welfare reform for the first time. Reduced it by about 40%, made people go to work, reduced food stamps and people were happier.
    All of this I write you can easily find.
    That SOB in the white house purposely manufactured this to happen. Before he did it the states were responsible for 80% of payments some cash coming from the FED.This was all hidden away carefully in the STIMULOUS BILL. He changed this so you paid it, he made people get welfare. Before obama, until 2009 only 20 million people got food stamps,by his swearing in, now 44 million people receive food stamps and going up. Welfare was almost abolished when Clinton left office, this slimebucket since he is in office, welfare is now a brand new $816 billion dollars in new welfare, by 2011 it will be $900 billion and is going up. The true cost has been hidden by order of the white house and in a few years will become $1.339 trillion dollars a year and will increase yearly. LEE
     
  2. capulona

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    A lot of people are now lining up for food stamps and government assistance because of unemployment cased by this current recession. The vast majority of them do not want to do not enjoy the humiliation of begging for help.
     
  3. b12

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    Regan forced the fall of Russia by out spending them and driving them broke.
    Now Obama has his turn. His intentions are to spend this country into a welfare state as what the russians had. From their you can break the states one state at a time causing such economic calamity.
    However this is all really done behind the curtain by none other than George Soros.
    Things we don't like to hear and talk about out of fear is now becomming a reality.
    You just better hope that Donald Trump steps up to the plate and runs. This next president regardless who or what side gets it is going to deal with the rough problems either. for the public or agains the public and comfort the Obama and Soros team. Bill
     
  4. Setterman

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    That's BS capulona. We have businesses putting adds in the paper for $14 /hour and they can't find help cause people won't work till their unemplyment runs out. Think about......work, or get unemployment for 99 weeks. Hmmmm... why work?

    I admit, that many don't want to take a job that pays less, but I bet when their UB's run out they will jump at it. If UB's weren't available, they would take those jobs now. Delayed realism or lazyness?
     
  5. Mark-in-Maine

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    capulona,

    I was behind a well dressed young man and woman in the supermarket checkout this week. They bought some groceries and snack food and paid with an EBT card.
    They didn't seem humiliated at all. It pisses me off. There is no shame or stigma attached to welfare any more.
     
  6. capulona

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    Setterman - I'm not going to defend people who want to live on welfare vs those who needs food stamps/welfare.

    where I live, someone who makes $14 an hour will be living below the poverty line, and if you have children, it will not be enough to survive, without government handouts.

    the real issue is to give a realistic living wage, then you'll solve the issue of of welfare
     
  7. capulona

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    Mark-In Maine,

    I hear you, man. People take advantage of the system. The trick is to make sure those in need get help, and those that cheat be punished. There is no black and white solution.
     
  8. trinketshooter

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    First of all, I do not see any job in my area that goes unfilled for very long. And this so-called welfare state has been created by both parties over the years. Unemployment has been slowly rising since before BO took office. So, it would stand to reason that when someone becomes unemployed they may need to apply for food stamps. $14 an hour jobs do not pay the bills in nearly any larger city in our nation. I know, we're all supposed to work for whatever the businessman says that he can afford to pay and be real happy that we have a job, but in real life, that won't cut it. If you think that public assistance is costing us alot now, just wait until all of the people that have Walmart types of jobs retire. These people already qualify for foodstamps while they're working! They have retirement plans that they would have to pay into out of their already substandard wage, so they actually are saving very little for retirement. These people will all need public assistance when they retire, and there are alot of people with these types of jobs. Responsible companies that pay a livable wage with at least a minimal pension are saving our country money in the future. Neil
     
  9. shelly

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    Excellent socialist blubbering twinky. Fidel, Obummer and the rest of the socialist bozos would be proud of you.
     
  10. stokinpls

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    "so Ill just start with bill clinton. He made true welfare reform for the first time. Reduced it by about 40%, made people go to work, reduced food stamps and people were happier."

    Actually he vetoed it twice before the republicans hit him over the head with it a third time. Guess maybe he was too "busy" to fool with it (welfare reform). ;-)
     
  11. likes-to-shoot

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    The biggest mistake made was extending the unemplyment. They must have changed some of the requriments because I remember that if you refused a job from the unemployment office you were disqualified for benifits.

    The big ((O)) stated on TV that the goverment needs to be run like a familys household budget. LOL LOL Then he went on about spending money we don't have things for more earmarks.
     
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    Capulona, where in the US is 30k per year below the poverty line?

    Buz
     
  13. trinketshooter

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    What family could live comfortably at $30,000 per year? Ten years ago $30,000 wouldn't be horrible but now...? Neil
     
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    Neil,

    Are you suggesting minimum wage should be a "livable" wage? And what should that be?

    Chichay
     
  15. trinketshooter

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    I am not suggesting that the minimum wage should be a livable wage, as the minimum wage is generally thought to be an entry level wage for people that are just entering the workforce. Some people that earn the minimum wage receive tips and earn significantly more money. A livable wage is often determined by where you live. I believe that alot of people make too little and very few make too much. Neil
     
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    Gee Neil, do you think work ethic, self reliance and responsibilty, and desire to improve have anything to do with getting ahead? Or are you going to pick the winners and losers? If not, who is.
     
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    All my life I had a job. Sometimes it wasn't the best but it was a job. When a better one came along I went to it. I always gave 2 weeks notice, and only collected unemployment twice, once in the Eisenhower years and once when state regulations kicked construction in the teeth.

    When I went into business I gave the state much more than I had ever collected.

    The people who won't work because they are on unemployment really piss me off.

    HM
     
  18. trinketshooter

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    The people that won't work piss me off, too. And yes, I do think that self reliance and responsibility and desire to improve have something to do with getting ahead. But there will always be a small percentage of the population that feel entitled and will not participate in life like the rest of us. There will also be people that would like to work steady, but can't. Neil
     
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    And there always will be twinkies who are too lacking in IQ to perform gainful work, but hey, they can always blubber about Bush.
     
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    Osama won't even follow the advice of his own Deficit office. They advise him that if he backed off in a couple of areas he could save 4.1 trillion compared to the 1.3 trillion he claims he can do. It's all a slight of hands on osama's part. He hasn't the vaguest idea of what the he## he is doing.
     
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