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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Bluzman98, Dec 17, 2009.

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  1. Bluzman98

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    Completely Reckless, Completely Irresponsible
    from the Office of Senator Mitch McConnell

    Thursday, December 17, 2009


    ‘And here’s the most outrageous part: at the end of this rush, they want us to vote on a bill that no one outside the Majority Leader’s conference room has even seen. That’s right. The final bill we’ll vote on isn’t even the one we’ve had on the floor. It’s the deal Democrat leaders have been trying to work out in private’

    WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell made the following remarks on the Senate floor Thursday regarding the importance of getting it right on health care reform:

    “Senators on both sides acknowledge that the health care bill we’re considering is among the most significant pieces of legislation any of us will ever consider.

    “So it stands to reason that we’d devote significant time and attention to it.

    “Indeed, some would argue that we should spend more time and attention on this bill than most — if not every — previous bill we’ve considered.

    “The Majority disagrees.

    “Why? Because this bill has become a political nightmare for them.

    “They know Americans overwhelmingly oppose it, so they want to get it over with.

    “Americans are already outraged at the fact that Democrat leaders took their eyes off the ball. Rushing the process on a partisan line makes the situation even worse.

    “Americans were told the purpose of reform was to reduce the cost of health care.

    “Instead, Democrat leaders produced a $2.5 trillion, 2,074-page monstrosity that vastly expands government, raises taxes, raises premiums, and wrecks Medicare.

    “And they want to rush this bill through by Christmas — one of the most significant, far-reaching pieces of legislation in U.S. history. They want to rush it.

    “And here’s the most outrageous part: at the end of this rush, they want us to vote on a bill that no one outside the Majority Leader’s conference room has even seen.

    “That’s right. The final bill we’ll vote on isn’t even the one we’ve had on the floor. It’s the deal Democrat leaders have been trying to work out in private.

    “That’s what they intend to bring to the floor and force a vote on before Christmas.

    “So this entire process is essentially a charade.

    “But let’s just compare the process so far with previous legislation for some perspective. Here’s a snapshot of what we’ve done and where we stand:

    • The Majority Leader intends to bring this debate to a close as early as this weekend — four days from now, on this $2.5 trillion dollar mistake

    • No American who hasn’t been invited into the Majority Leader’s conference room knows what will be in that bill

    • This bill has been the pending business of the Senate since the last week of November — less than four weeks ago.

    • We started the amendment process two weeks ago.

    • We’ve had 21 amendments and motions — less than two a day.

    “Now let’s look at how the Senate has dealt with previous legislation.

    “No Child Left Behind (2001):

    • 21 session days or 7 weeks.

    • Roll Call votes: 44

    • Number of Amendments offered: 157

    “9/11 Commission/Homeland Security Act (2002):

    • 19 session days over 7 weeks.

    • Roll Call votes: 20

    • Number of Amendments offered: 30

    “Energy Bill (2002):

    • 21 session days over 8 weeks

    • Number of Roll Call votes: 36

    • Number of Amendments offered: 158

    “This isn’t an energy bill. This is an attempt by a majority to take over one sixth of the U.S. economy — to vastly expand the reach and the role of government into the health care decisions of every single American — and they want to be done after one substantive amendment. This is absolutely inexcusable.

    “I think Senator Snowe put it best on Tuesday:

    ‘Given the enormity and complexity,’ she said, ‘I don’t see anything magical about the Christmas deadline if this bill is going to become law in 2014.’

    “And I think Senator Snowe’s comments on a lack of bipartisanship at the outset of this debate are also right on point.

    “Here’s what she said in late November:

    ‘I am truly disappointed we are commencing our historic debate on one of the most significant and pressing domestic issues of our time with a process that has forestalled our ability to arrive at broader agreement on some of the most crucial elements of health care reform. The bottom line is, the most consequential health care legislation in the history of our country and the reordering of $33 trillion in health care spending over the coming decade shouldn’t be determined by one vote-margin strategies – surely we can and must do better.’

    “The only conceivable justification for rushing this bill is the overwhelming opposition of the American people. Democrats know that the longer Americans see this bill the less they like it. Here’s the latest from Pew. It came out just yesterday.

    “A majority (58 percent) of those who have heard a lot about the bills oppose them while only 32 percent favor them.”

    “There is no justification for this blind rush — except a political one, and that’s not good enough for the American people.

    “And there’s no justification for forcing the Senate to vote on a bill none of us has seen.

    “Americans already oppose this bill. The process is just as bad.

    “It’s completely reckless, completely irresponsible.”
     
  2. Hoosier Daddy

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    Here is Obamacare!
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  3. bigdogtx

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    Why does ANYBODY support this crap and think it is such a GOOD thing when even the purveyors WON'T GET ON IT????
     
  4. Bisi

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    Nobody with a brain supports it. The sad fact is the opposition to Obamacare is worn out. Every day it is something else. Tarp, bank bailout, Trillion dollar stimulus, auto takeover, healthcare, 90% tax rate for certain individuals, Afghan troop commitment, healthcare, immigration.............

    Ojackass, Reid, Pelosi, et al know we are weary and that is why they are going to get this damn thing passed. Everybody now is thinking about Christmas, parties, family, eggnog, food, etc... They know we don't have the will to oppose this.

    Look at this site, 6 months ago a thread about Obamacare would have gotten a couple of dozen responses. Now??

    I wonder what people are going to say in 20 to 30 years when their grandchildren asked them if they fought in the war against socialism? Are they going to tell the truth and say - no grand daughter/son I was too busy eating chocolate covered peanuts, and drinking eggnog spiked with vodka, and watching football.

    Too busy Grandpa to even make a phone call??
     
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  6. Auctioneer

    Auctioneer Well-Known Member

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    Obamacare, you are old you die, if you are not useful you die, if your anything that the system does not think is helpful you die.
     
  7. stokinpls

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    And remember now, Robert Mugabe is one of their idols. From apartheid to this:

    "Harare, Zimbabwe, Dec 10, 2008 / 08:01 pm (CNA).- Caritas Internationalis is warning that the crisis in Zimbabwe is so grave that people facing crushing food shortages are mixing cow dung with their food.

    With pressure continuing to mount on President Mugabe to relinquish his hold on power, Zimbabweans are suffering the consequences of his government’s policies.

    Besides the lack of food, people are also suffering a cholera epidemic and crippling hyperinflation.

    Caritas Internationalis Secretary General Lesley-Anne Knight reports that "people in Zimbabwe are dropping dead on the streets from Cholera. They’ve witnessed people mixing cow dung with what’s left of their food to make it go further. This is poverty at its most dehumanizing."

    Caritas plans to ramp up its aid operations across the country with hunger likely to increase after poor harvests.

    A Caritas survey in October found 70 to 90 percent of households going hungry and the remainder on the brink of starvation. At least 5.1 million people are facing starvation out of a population of 13 million people. Additionally, nearly 14,000 cases of Cholera have been reported.

    Knight also commented on the political crisis, saying, "Zimbabwe’s political impasse can continue no longer. An effective government that can rectify the policies that have put the country into this position must be established.

    "The international community must maintain the pressure on Zimbabwe for an end to this crisis. We must also prepare ourselves for the implosion of the country and the catastrophe that will mean in terms of human suffering across the region."

    Zimbabweans have faced discrimination in South Africa and other neighboring countries and Knight warned that they "must address the xenophobia directed at Zimbabwean refugees in their own countries."

    "These are very challenging conditions for aid agencies to operate, but Caritas remains committed to delivering aid to the country in its hour of need," she said."
     
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