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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Ahab, Dec 27, 2010.

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  1. Ahab

    Ahab Well-Known Member

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    ObamaCare allows the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia Muslim diktat in the United States. Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be "gambling", "risk-taking", and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this.

    How convenient. So I, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance. Non-Muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize Muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.

    Dhimmitude serves two purposes: It enriches the Muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to Islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to Islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation X, Y, and Z types who have no moral anchor. If you don't believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. "Sure, I'll be a Muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, bro?"
     
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  3. capulona

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    Can you point us to the specific Federal ordinance that states this? Not that I don't trust you ;-) I'd like to see the actual wording on the Law
     
  4. capulona

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    Oh, and while we are on the subject of God, isn't the God of the Jews, Christians and Muslims the same God? So then, what does it matter which flavor you like? If you don't like one of the Muslim/Jew/Christian flavors, then you're treating religion as if it were politics. Red, Blue, Green, pick your color. Now you've lowered religion to the level of politics. Thank You!
     
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    capulona, thank a bunch for the sermon.
     
  6. recurvyarcher

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    On pages 273-274 of the new Healthcare bill it states that people of "religious sects and divisions," are exempt. Exempt religions include Muslims, Christian Science, and American Indians.

    EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
    -In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section 1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:

    In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual's status as a member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry, as an Indian, or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe."

    Senate Bill, H.R. 3590, pages 273-274

    Here is a fatwa and clarification from a Muslim website in English on the Islamic law regarding medical insurance:

    "The fact that the state makes insurance compulsory does not make it permissible; rather the burden of sin is waived from the person or company who is obliged to do that. As for the broker company which is doing this work by choice, it is guilty of sin.
    "The same applies to the person who works in the insurance company or broker company; he is doing this work by choice, but this work is not permissible for him, because it is directly helping in sin...

    It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah (15/251):

    "Firstly: Commercial insurance of all types is haraam because it involves ambiguity, riba, uncertainty, gambling and consuming people's wealth unlawfully, and other shar'i reservations.

    "Secondly: It is not permissible for the Muslim to get involved with insurance companies by working in administration or otherwise, because working in them comes under the heading of cooperating in sin and transgression, and Allaah forbids that as He says: "but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Severe in punishment."
     
  7. recurvyarcher

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    No comment now, Capulona?
     
  8. Bisi

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    This ought to open up a can of worms. What about state mandated auto insurance? Obamacare is a federal mandate while auto insurance is state mandated. How long will it be before some member of the above mentioned religious sect sues to not to have to purchase auto insurance? A federal precedent will have been established????

    Then again maybe they won't bring this one to court. I can't see Achmed (the guy who owns the Dairy Queen at the corner) not wanting to protect his 60K investment in his Mercedes, in case the Mexicans working across the street in the Italian restaurant back their 76 Mercury Cougar into his luxury sedan. My neighborhood isn't as sleepy as it once was.
     
  9. TOOLMAKER 251

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    I also think the Amish are exempt from the obamacare.
     
  10. crusha

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    Man, but won't the judges and justices have to wrap their bodies around the stripper pole, twisting the definitions of words to permit this atrocity to go into effect?


    And best part is - we get to pay to defend this turd against lawsuits.
     
  11. bigdogtx

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    Don't forget these,,,,looks like many unions are able to become exempt as well,,,,I thought this was SUPPOSED to be such a great deal....
     
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