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Obama Threatens California

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Yosemite Sam, May 8, 2009.

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  1. Yosemite Sam

    Yosemite Sam TS Member

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    How long are we going to let this BS continue? No one is outraged yet?

    Found at: <a href=“http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-health-cuts8-2009may08,0,4592200.story”>LA Times Article</a>


    U.S. threatens to rescind stimulus money over wage cuts

    The Obama administration threatens to rescind billions in stimulus money if Gov. Schwarzenegger and lawmakers do not restore wage cuts to unionized home healthcare workers.

    By Evan Halper
    May 8, 2009

    Reporting from Sacramento -- The Obama administration is threatening to rescind billions of dollars in federal stimulus money if Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and state lawmakers do not restore wage cuts to unionized home healthcare workers approved in February as part of the budget.

    Schwarzenegger's office was advised this week by federal health officials that the wage reduction, which will save California $74 million, violates provisions of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Failure to revoke the scheduled wage cut before it takes effect July 1 could cost California $6.8 billion in stimulus money, according to state officials.

    The news comes as state lawmakers are already facing a severe cash crisis, with the state at risk of running out of money in July.

    The wages at issue involve workers who care for some 440,000 low-income disabled and elderly Californians. The workers, who collectively contribute millions of dollars in dues each month to the influential Service Employees International Union and the United Domestic Workers, will see the state's contribution to their wages cut from a maximum of $12.10 per hour to a maximum of $10.10.

    The SEIU said in a statement that it had asked the Obama administration for the ruling.

    The cut was highly contentious during last winter's budget talks. Republican lawmakers insisted that the rapidly growing, multibillion-dollar state program, In Home Supportive Services, be scaled back significantly.

    Democrats fought major reductions in the program, which they say is a cost-effective alternative to nursing-home care, but ultimately compromised.

    Reversing the wage cut would require a two-thirds vote of the Legislature, meaning Republican support would be needed.

    Schwarzenegger on Wednesday sent U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius a letter urging the federal government to reconsider.

    "Neither the Legislature nor I make decisions to reduce wages or benefits lightly, but only as a last resort in response to an unprecedented fiscal crisis," Schwarzenegger wrote.
     
  2. Trab

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    Yo Sam,

    Take a look at your senators.....Californians keep voting for these LUNATICS, boxer and feinstien, you better get used to a steady diet. Where is the speaker of the house from ?
     
  3. Dahaub

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    Sam----- how much does it take to make a living in California? Do you think a 40 hour job making 10 bucks is enough? How about a 40 hour job and taking a pay cut of almost 18% and then making 10 bucks an hour? Lets see, you said the cut would save California about 74 mill and the stimulus money was going to be about 7? billion? What am I missing? Is this some kind of trick question? Where is your head? These people are making the minimum and I know it's not but it should be the minimum wage. Now you want them to go into homes and help the elderly and be broke. You are inviting theft and worse for those elderly when you cut the wages of the people doing that work. Dream up something else to bitch about. Sam I'll bet your club doesn't have one shooter who is making 10 an hour taking care of the elderly. It's not enough to make it on and you know it. Good luck getting a firestorm started about that issue not everyone is a slave owner and that's what you want those people to be. Slaves. Dan
     
  4. amboy49

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    Simple question - where does it say in the Constitution the government is required to pay for healthcare for individuals ? Notwithstanding the obvious humanitarian need to care for the elderly, to whom do we extend these services and where do we draw the line ?

    There may be something in the California Constitution regarding this, but I would doubt it. As a decrease in the nuclear family continues, caregiving by family members also will decline thus necessitating these services - but at what cost to the taxpaying public ?

    One last question, perhaps it would be interesting to ascertain the number or per centage ( or both ) of the number of illegal aliens receiving these services.
     
  5. Old Texas Marine

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    Dahaub,

    Please re-read the post. The quote is, "will see the state's contribution to their wages cut from a maximum of $12.10 per hour to a maximum of $10.10."

    It doesn't say the wages are $12.10. It says the State's contribution to the wages of $12.10 will be reduced. These are not State employees or they wouldn't be members of the SEIU, they would be members of some gov't employees' union. Nowhere in the quote does it mention what the average hourly wage is.

    HBT
     
  6. bocephus

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    be easy on dahoub, clearly he flunked reading in school.
     
  7. Dahaub

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    You guys don't get what my point is. Ten dollars an hour is not enough money to make a living in California. The elderly that are being helped will have some special needs and that means training for those doing the work. Then you have the cost of getting to those individual homes and getting back to their own homes. Think about how much you make in your jobs and what these people are being compensated for and the job they do to earn it. Ten bucks is a pittance. Just think how much the state of California is saving per month per person that isn't in a state supported nursing home with all the costs that go with their care in those nursing homes. These workers are not spending all day in each home. They are doing the job they are assigned then moving on to the next home to do that job. Hell you pay more than 10 per hour to have your lawn mowed. We are talking about the quality of help for workers going into the homes of elderly who can't afford a nursing home. Don't relagate that work to those who can't find anything else and use this job as a last resort. Dan
     
  8. Old Texas Marine

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    I guess Dahaub can't read!
     
  10. waterhouselake

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    Yeah we're just rolling in money in California. At least the government employees are. No reduction in salaries on their part if the moneys not in the state treasury. Business as usual. Raise the taxes on those who actually have to compete and send it to those whose productivity does not warrant the pay and benefit packages they receive. This state is run by the state employees, firefighters, law enforcement, and teachers. They're all chest deep in the public trough grabbing all they can. No wonder the tax base of this state is leaving. It will be fun to see this state have nothing but government employees and welfare receipients. Then who will pay the bill?
     
  11. halfmile

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    So if the state reduces their input by 3 bucks an hour, I would guess the employer will not be giving them any raises.

    No one has answered the question of how much these workers actually earn.

    In other words, what percent of their TOTAL wages is actually being reduced?

    (Dahaub, here comes the short bus..got your lunch money? Are your mittens hooked to your sleeves? Goood..say hello to Doctor Phil for me.)

    Can someone shed some light on the wage question? Ahnold wanted to cut some state workers to 6.55 an hour last year.

    HM
     
  12. bocephus

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    hm that reduction was only temporary until they got their budget worked out, then all woould have been compensated for the amount of the reduction.

    from the article:

    The workers, who collectively contribute millions of dollars in dues each month to the influential Service Employees International Union and the United Domestic Workers, will see the state's contribution to their wages cut from a maximum of $12.10 per hour to a maximum of $10.10.

    If the workers contribute millions to the union each month their wages must be fairly high. Maybe the reduction is less than what their dues are, dump the union and the workers could keep the 2 bucks!
     
  13. stokinpls

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    You don't have to be able to read as long as you vote socialist.
     
  14. Recoil Sissy

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    Dahaub:

    I got your point and you’ve convinced me. Ten bucks an hour isn’t enough. Assuming full time employment (2080 hours a year) at twelve bucks an hour, annual income is less than $25k. These people do important work. Surely they’re entitled to more.

    So how about putting YOUR money where your mouth is. Adopt a few of these underpaid folks and personally pay the difference between what they’re getting and what you think they’re worth.

    Money talks and bullstuff walks. Are you prepared to pony up or is Dahaub only generous when spending someone else’s money??

    sissy
     
  15. 3200 tony

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    Why do any of us give a sh_t.
    This is the way politics are played.
    There is nothing that we are willing to do about it,
    Notice I said nothing we will do, rather than nothing we can do!
    Most of us are afraid to speak the truth.

    Tony S.
     
  16. bigdogtx

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    I guess that the state is just to continue to operate in the RED,,,,billions in debt and continuing to climb,,,,why should everyone have to pay for stupidity, waste and mis-management,,,,maybe if they weren't hugging all the illegals then maybe they would have some extra money and not have to cut pay,,,,or didn't hussein say, "we are going to have to tighten our belts",,,,anyone else notice that all this money is coming with "strings" from hussein,,,,guess that is the Chicago way!!!!

    Sooner or later we will have to live within our means!!!!!
     
  17. cafowler

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    Guys,

    I got something to say.

    I am so sick and tired of the SEIU. Until about 4 years ago, you'd never hear of them. I refer to them as the Janitors or the Mexican's Union. SEIU should go down in history of the US as the best union organizing unit ever. They have marched into every public and private business who employees anyone at close to minimum wages and unionized their employees. The membership has grown by millions of employees in the last 4 years. Yosemite Sam is just scratching the surface of what this union is doing to our country and our state. They are single handidly trying to dictate any and all labor issues to our state legislature. CA's budget passed months late, mostly due to unprecedented deficit spending driven by SEIU demands of the dem controlled assembly. The state is currently projecting something like a 16-20B deficit half way thru the year. The Gov acting as CA's CEO has to have the ability to decide what salary he will pay to any employee. What private business would operate with a Pres or CEO that can't make a decission about what they are willing to pay an hourly employee. Put a want add in the paper, you list a wage rate, "Carp's wanted, starting salary $24/hr". SEIU is fighting to take that right away from our Gov, just incredible to even try this to me. Out states bond rating has sunk below Junk Bond status, signalling our state is Bankrupt, just like GM. SEIU is not the friend of anyone, except large Dem politicians, and every janitor in the state now. Now they are flexing their union muscle at the fed level, surprise.

    If the SEIU hasn't spread to your state like the Swine Flu virus, I hope they don't, they are strangling our state. It isn't an accident that they have organized so many people in the last few years. The SEIU is a direct response from the left to all their hate for the right during the last Administrations 8 years. It may sound like I am anti-union, I am not, I just don't like the liberal agenda, or how this union has gone about gaining tremendous political power by orginizing the least educated, lowest paid in society, to use their dues for their own political agenda. Just to socialist, Stalinist, leftist for me. There are very few in CA that look on SEIU favorably. Guess who was behind "a day without Mexicans" a few years ago, just to make their point they can cripple our economy with a mass worker walkout. Just to flex their muscles, who does that to their own country's economy, unless they don't believe it is their country or they are responsible for staying fully employed to keep the economy healthy?

    Before you bash CA for Feinstein, Pelosi, Boxer, the result of a few small ultra liberal districts, probably 80% of this state is rural and conservative, and it kills us to watch this go on in our state. I blame all the other states for sending their hippies to the Height Ashby in the 60's, who multiplied into 1,000s of kids with the same hippie ultra lib agenda of their parents. Most in this state would love to ship the hippies and thier kids back to whatever state they came here from during the Summer Of Love.
     
  18. Brian in Oregon

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    Frankly, I couldn't care less if Commiefornia tanks. In fact, it would be best for all if that liberal paradise augers in and declares bankruptcy. This would provide a clear cut example of the problems of runaway liberalism and entitlements that have dominated politics for over a half a century.
     
  19. Joen

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    First I have came to one conclusion is that we in America will not let a person stavre sitting on a street corner will have alway helped them and always will. Second the Republican got just what they wanted, people working for low wages and no insurance benfits like what tne unions provide for them. So now in America we have CEO's making Million's a year and cutting the wages and benfits in there company for all employee. It seems very simply to me we have to restore good wage's and benifit's in this country union or non unoin or we will have to become a Socalit national. Here in the midwest all of the company's are wanting employees to take a pay cut or a cut in benfit's. Just think about the first thing I said no one starving on the street corner so wouldn't be easier to pay a good wage and benfit!
     
  20. Old Texas Marine

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    Joen,

    I would suggest you buy a book on economics. If you wait for the gov't or some union to solve your problems you will be the starving person on the street corner.

    Samuel Gompers (look him up) said the biggest ennemy to the worker was an employer that didn't make a profit. Aesop's Fables called it killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.

    You boys need to stop the blame game and solve your own problems.

    HBT
     
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