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  1. BRGII

    BRGII TS Member

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    I have always been verbal in my dislike for the great Messiah, but in the boat captains case he showed he may have a pair. R
     
  2. comp 1

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    How can u determine ANYTHING about him from this pirate situation? He stayed completely out of it until it was over and then GRABBED THE CREDIT. What kind of person would NOT mind the use of deadly force to save a life from the act of criminals?
     
  3. straightshooter1

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    I think the point is that he could have (and most of us thought he would have) simply said "No force, keep trying to negotiate."

    That he recognized that there is a time and place to use force surprised me. I still don't like him or the direction he is taking my country, but certainly can voice my approval of his directions in this situation.

    Bob
     
  4. Bluzman98

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    The operative word here is "direction"....which he took from advisors. So how many days did it take him to make any kind of decision....and by the way he actually left the decision up to the Naval officer in charge. If the situation had been a bust, he left himslf an out to blame the officer.

    If it had been Reagan, he would have said take the SOB's out the minute it happened. The only negotiations would have been where to dump the bodies of the pirates.

    God help us if something really bad happens or threatens this country while O'Douchebag is in office, because based on his decision making prowess & timeliness in this situation it may be too late the next time.

    JMHO

    Jim C
     
  5. Lead Man

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    Have no idea if this is true or not. Received it in an email this morning and sounds pretty close to me.





    After four days of floating at sea on a raft shared with four Somali gunmen, Richard Phillips took matters into his own hands for a second time. With the small inflatable lifeboat in which he was being held captive being towed by the American missile destroyer USS Bainbridge, and Navy Special Warfare (NSWC) snipers on the fantail in position to take their shots at his captors as soon as the command was given, the captive captain of the M.V. Maersk-Alabama took his second leap in three days into the shark-infested waters of the Indian Ocean.
    This diversion gave the Navy Special Warfare operators all the opening they needed. Snipers immediately took down the three Somali pirates still on board the life raft, SEAL operators hustled down the tow line connecting the two craft to confirm the kills, and a Navy RIB plucked Phillips from the water and sped him to safety aboard the Bainbridge, thus ending the four-day-and-counting hostage situation.
    Phillips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Phillips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken. The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States, Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.
    The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.
    After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on-scene commander decided he’d had enough. Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK-47 one captor had leveled at Phillips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
    Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Phillips was safe.
    There is upside, downside, and spin-side to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.
    Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and declared
    <http://www.politico.com/arena/perm/Theda_Skocpol_C3BAED40-2FC3-4FA9-AB2
    2-64CDE2283669.html> that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.
    Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
    What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four-day-and-counting standoff between a rag-tag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
    On Friday, April 9, as the standoff reached the end of its third day, I called on President Obama to take action to free the American hostage from his Somali captors. I outlined three possible operational tactics that could be used to do so <http://www.redstate.com/redhot/#post-2394> ; number 1 was the
    following:

    (1) 2 helos, 2 snipers each: pop the [pirates] in their heads, then drop a rescue swimmer to escort the hostage up to one of the choppers. This works best if the hostage is aware of what is happening and can help without getting in the way — say, by hopping overboard as the gunships near, to divert attention and get out of the line of fire.

    (This was written before the USS Bainbridge tethered the life raft to its stern, an action which eliminated the need for helicopters.)
    However, instead of taking direct, decisive action against the rag-tag group of gunmen, the Obama administration dilly-dallied, dawdled, and eschewed any decisiveness whatsoever, even in the face of enemy fire, in hopes that the situation would somehow resolve itself without violence. Thus, the administration sent a clear message to all who would threaten U.S. interests abroad that the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue has no idea how to respond to such situations — and no real willingness to use military force to resolve them.
    Any who think they weren’t watching every minute of this are guilty — at best — of greatly underestimating our enemies.
    Like the crew of the Alabama, which took swift and decisive action to take back their own ship rather than wait for help from Washington that they knew could not be counted on, Captain Phillips took matters into his own hands for the second time in three days, leaping into the water to create a diversion and allowing the NSWC team to eliminate his captors. The result, of course, was the best that could possibly be expected: three pirates dead, the captain unharmed, and a fourth Somali man who had surrendered late Saturday night in custody.
     
  6. JBrooks

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    Leadman;

    That is excerpted from Jeff Emanuel, a world class military blogger.
     
  7. BDodd

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    In a Fox interview with the Captain of the navy ship this morning he said he had taken a call from the Pres. and had been given a green light to handle the situation based on his experience and knowledge. Id est, Obama didn't want to interfere or try to micro manage from the white house......Bob Dodd
     
  8. Paladin

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    "he had taken a call from the Pres. and had been given a green light to handle the situation based on his experience and knowledge"

    Kind of a sneaky way of hussein grabbing some credit if all went well,,,,,but,,,,,if the wrong person had died in the exchange, you can take it to the bank that hussein would have blamed everyone except himself.
     
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    "The Story of a Successful Rescue (and a Democratic Administration’s Attempt to Claim Credit)"


    Mash on JB's link. hussein makes slick willie look honest.
     
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    Obama's ONLY input was that he was required by existing law to approve the use of deadly force if and when the hostage was threatened.

    Bammy is taking credit and high fives for a legal formality that reinforces his nothingness.

    HM
     
  11. BRGII

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    man oh man, I dislike the man and think he is a crappy choice for a President, but I can not understand the hate some of you project. He is still the President, like it or lump it. BRGII
     
  12. letts

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    Obama did the right thing here. We should all be happy that it worked out as it did.
    The problem with pirates still needs fixing however and will not go away on its own. Maybe the 1st world leader that objects to our methods should be sent over there to negotiate his own release from the pirates.


    Letts
     
  13. grunt

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    Obama just selected Rosa Brooks to the Dept of Defense. A commie from LA. Worked for Soros. This guy is dangerous. Putting our country in jeopardy.
     
  14. BDodd

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    Let me correct any confusion to my earlier post, it was the Captain of the Navy vessel involved in the rescue that was interviewed and stated in that interview that he was given the authority, allegedly by the Pres., to do what you must and that the Pres. "...didn't want to try to manage from Washington..." Believable? Was it more like "if the hostage in threatened..." Is this Captain a strict dumocrat? Don't know but that's what he passed on in his telephone interview on Fox news......Bob Dodd
     
  15. Paladin

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    Your intent was perfectly clear, Bob, and I edited my post by adding 'hussein' to the "sneaky" description.
     
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