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Obama is a lair. Here's his anti-gun track record.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Obama Shooting Himself in the Foot with Anti-Gun Stance<br>
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    Barack Obama will have a big problem attracting the blue-collar white voters he needs to win the presidency, writes Bob Owens: they like guns and he wants to take their guns away.<br>
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    by Bob Owens<br>
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    As she clawed for survival against Barack Obama in Wisconsin’s Democratic primary this past weekend, Hillary Clinton lamely asserted her Second Amendment bona fides over that of her rival by claiming that she once shot a duck in Arkansas.<br>
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    As pathetic a pander as that tale was, it did serve to point out one gaping weakness in the armor of the Illinois senator, a man who must rely on blue-collar white voters if he hopes to prevail first in the Democratic primaries, and later in the general election.<br>
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    The weakness? Barack Obama’s utter disdain of firearms (especially handguns) and a refusal to recognize the rights of law-abiding Americans to own the most common and relied-upon types of firearms.<br>
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    In his answers to the 1998 Illinois State Legislative National Political Awareness Test, Obama said he favored a ban on “the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.”<br>
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    By definition, this would include all pistols ever made, from .22 target pistols used in the Olympics to rarely-fired pistols kept in nightstands and sock drawers for the defense of families, and every pistol in between. Obama’s strident stand would also ban all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, whatever their previously legal purpose.<br>
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    In 1999, Obama proposed to make it a felony for the gun owner if a firearm stolen from his residence and used in a crime was not “securely stored” — effectively negating the homeowner’s right to self-defense.<br>
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    That same year, Obama bravely voted “present” on a law that would require teens 15 and older to be tried as adults for firing weapons on or near school grounds. Obama also proposed the idea of banning businesses that sell firearms from operating within five miles of a park or school — restrictions that would treat gun shops worse than “adult” businesses trafficking in pornography.<br>
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    From 1998-2001, Obama sat on the board of directors for the Joyce Foundation, a left-wing group which today funds grants to anti-gun organizations such as the Violence Policy Center (which advocates total handgun prohibition, reinstatement of the Clinton-era “assault weapons” ban, and the ban of other firearms), the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence (which favors the registration of all handguns, seeks to overturn Ohio’s “concealed carry” law, ban standard capacity magazines, and ban economical handguns along with many semi-automatic firearms based upon their appearance), and Handgun Free America (which advocates a complete ban on civilian handgun ownership).<br>
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    All of these organizations seek to disarm law-abiding Americans. This is the idea of “change” that they share with Barack Obama.<br>
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    On the federal stage, Obama’s brief U.S. Senate career has already seen him vote against a bill (S.397) to protect the firearms industry from those who seek to sue manufacturers, distributors, and importers for the criminal misuse of firearms by criminals, an idea akin to suing car manufacturers for damages caused by drunk drivers.<br>
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    Tellingly, Obama’s presidential campaign has sought to hide his history of trying to disarm law-abiding Americans.<br>
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    Buried deep in the “Issues” section of Obama’s web site under “Additional Issues” is a PDF document that can only be described as an attempt to talk around Obama’s real position on firearm ownership. In a section where the campaign claims to “respect” the Second Amendment, the document states:<br>
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    Millions of hunters own and use guns each year. Millions more participate in a variety of shooting sports such as sporting clays, skeet, target, and trap shooting that may not necessarily involve hunting. As a former constitutional law professor, Barack Obama understands and believes in the constitutional right of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting.<br>
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    Tellingly, Obama’s campaign only addresses the gun rights of hunters and specific shotgun-only shooting sports, and only then in vague terms.<br>
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    At no point does Obama recognize an individual right to own handguns, or explicitly recognize a right for Americans to use a firearm to defend themselves or others. The site explicitly states that Barack Obama recognizes civilian gun ownership for two just purposes, “hunting and target shooting.”<br>
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    Hillary Clinton, almost as liberal as Obama on the issue of gun control, could not take advantage of Obama’s radical, out-of-the-mainstream position on firearm ownership because she, too, holds many of the same liberal ideas.<br>
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    As America moves toward the general election, however, John McCain will have no such problems in discussing Obama’s distrust of his fellow Americans on this issue.<br>
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    McCain is hardly the poster boy for the National Rifle Association, but McCain claims to strongly support gun rights, stating, “Neither justice nor domestic peace are served by holding the innocent responsible for the acts of the criminal,” a position diametrically opposed to the record of Obama, who favors outright prohibition of many common civilian firearms.<br>
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    In August 2007, writing at the liberal blog Daily Kos, “BlueDotRedField” shared his lament on Obama’s gun control history coming back to haunt him in the diary entry “Obama gunning to lose in 2008”:<br>
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    The clear implication of this statement is that Obama believes that Chicago’s violent crimes are to be solved at a national level — since Chicago & IL already have VERY tough gun control laws that have not stopped their crime problems, and to be solved by gun control legislation specifically mentioning the 1994 “Assault Weapons Ban” and blaming Bush for that ban’s lack of renewal.<br>
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    This statement is very important for those of us lifetime Democrats who not only are more libertarian leaning (especially after 8 years under the imperial presidency of George Bush), are more rural, and who own firearms or have family/friends who do. This statement is also the battle cry that figures on the right have been waiting for from Obama just in case he could actually beat out Hillary.<br>
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    Common political wisdom has been that gun control legislation, and specifically the AWB, was [the] key handing the Congress to the right in 1994. Additionally, it played a strong part in the election and re-election of George Bush. Only recently, as we have run more centrist and rural understanding Democrats, were we able to retake Congress and have any chance at countering Bush & Co. in any way.<br>
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    And we stand at a precipice where we can hand it all right back to them.<br>
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    There seems little chance that Barack Obama can hide his real record and views of gun ownership from the American public though November’s presidential elections.<br>
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    Once his prohibitive views of firearms ownership become known to America’s millions of gun owners, they may well decide that a gun-grabbing Barack Obama promises the kind of “change” that they can’t believe in. <br>
     
  2. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    http://www2.nysun.com/article/74947<br>
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    WASHINGTON — Some Illinois gun control advocates recall Senator Obama as a "friend" who represented a "solid vote" in favor of increased restrictions on firearm sales, but they said he was never forced to vote on an all-out ban on handguns as a member of the state Senate.<br>
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    Mr. Obama's position on guns is drawing renewed scrutiny following Wednesday night's Democratic debate, when the Illinois senator said he never favored a handgun ban, even though a 1996 questionnaire in his name indicated he did.<br>
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    The candidate questionnaire was filed with a nonprofit group, Independent Voters of Illinois–Independent Precinct Organization, during Mr. Obama's first run for the state Senate. It asked candidates if they "support state legislation to … ban the manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns." Mr. Obama's typed response was "Yes." His campaign later said a staffer filled out the form and unintentionally misrepresented Mr. Obama's position.<br>
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    "I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns," Mr. Obama said when confronted with the questionnaire at the debate. He also denied that his handwriting was on the document, even though a copy of the form posted by Politico.com suggests otherwise.<br>
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    Mr. Obama has sought to emphasize his support for the rights of gun owners in recent days, following the uproar over his comments at a San Francisco fundraiser that small-town Americans "cling" to guns and religion because they are "bitter" about economic woes. He announced the endorsement this week of the American Hunters and Shooters Association, a moderate gun rights organization, and at the debate he highlighted the "tradition of gun ownership that's passed on from generation to generation."<br>
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    The Clinton campaign pressed the issue during a conference call yesterday, suggesting Mr. Obama's claims about the questionnaire demanded further explanation. Aides to Mrs. Clinton have in the past used his answer on the handgun ban to highlight an issue on which his position far to the left of the mainstream could leave him vulnerable in a general election. As a state senator in Illinois, Mr. Obama was known as a staunch supporter of gun control proposals that came up during his tenure, advocates on both sides of the issue say. "He was somebody that we considered a friend," the executive director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence, Thomas Mannard, said. "We certainly considered him a solid vote on legislation we would have supported."<br>
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    Mr. Mannard said Mr. Obama received "A" ratings from gun control organizations, and he cited his support for a ban on assault weapons and for measures strengthening background check systems.<br>
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    The executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, Richard Pearson, similarly described Mr. Obama as "a strong gun control person."<br>
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    "I have not known him to ever vote for a pro-gun bill," Mr. Pearson said.<br>
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    He also said he no recollection of Mr. Obama stating his view on a handgun ban, although Mr. Pearson said the senator drew the ire of gun owners when he voted with a minority of lawmakers in 2004 against a bill affirming a homeowner's right to use a firearm in self-defense against an intruder. Despite Mr. Obama's opposition, the Illinois Legislature overrode a veto by the governor to approve the bill.<br>
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    A total ban on handguns was not something that generated significant discussion or support during Mr. Obama's eight years in the Legislature. Mr. Mannard said it never came for a vote in the Senate, and the council did not take a position on the idea. "We would never have been pushing this kind of legislation," he said.<br>
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    With the increased clout of the National Rifle Association and its state affiliates in recent decades, gun control groups have largely turned to more narrowly defined and strategic measures rather than sweeping prohibitions, such as a handgun ban. "We haven't pushed what I would call an extreme agenda," a former Illinois field director for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Jennifer Bishop, said. She said Mr. Obama was helpful to the group's agenda, which she described as mostly "defensive" in trying to stop efforts by the gun lobby to restrict law enforcement and expand the rights of gun owners.<br>
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    "I would not characterize him as this big anti-gunner. He's not," Ms. Bishop said. <br>
     
  3. Brian in Oregon

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    Doubting Obama without merit? Would you believe one of your liberals, Taylor Marsh, about him? She rips into hiim pretty good....<br>
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    Obama Panders on Guns<br>
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    This is just laughable. But I understand that some Democrats don't care about this stuff. We're just not one of them. If you're one who doesn't care about 2nd Amendment issues, fine. But when a political candidate tries to appear he cares or knows something about the issue when he clearly doesn't it's simply insulting. When I told my gun expert husband about Senator Obama's latest on guns he laughed out loud. Obama "aims for the pro-gun vote":<br>
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    ... .. A two-page white paper on Obama's website doesn't mention his voting record.<br>
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    Instead, he introduces himself as a former constitutional law professor who believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he greatly respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms.<br>
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    He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting, the paper states. He also believes that the right is subject to reasonable and common sense regulation.<br>
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    Melody Zullinger, the executive director of the Pennsylvania Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs who received the Obama campaign e-mail on his gun record, said Obama sounds like he is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.?<br>
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    I was at one of our county meetings last night and I mentioned this to [federation members], Zullinger said Friday of the Obama outreach. Everyone basically blew it off and weren't buying it. ... ..<br>
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    Not buying it, no kidding. Senator Obama obviously thinks gun owners are cretins. We are not. As a gun owning household, we don't belong to the N.R.A., and believe common sense gun laws are important and should be enforced. But Obama's gun record versus his pandering to gun owners isn't going to fool anyone who owns a firearm.<br>
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    Here's Obama's record on guns, back in Illinois. He filled out a questionnaire that Politico.com unearthed:<br>
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    Do you support state legislation to ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns?? asked one of the three dozen questions.<br>
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    Yes,? was Obama's entire answer.<br>
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    That's it, just "yes."<br>
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    To get himself out of this mess, Senator Obama's team said he didn't even see the questionnaire. They blamed his answer on an aide. But that wasn't true, according to Politico.com who did a follow up at the end of March:<br>
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    Late last year, in response to a Politico story about Obama's answers to the original questionnaire, his aides said he never saw or approved? the questionnaire.<br>
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    They asserted the responses were filled out by a campaign aide who unintentionally mischaracterize[d] his position.<br>
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    But a Politico examination determined that Obama was actually interviewed about the issues on the questionnaire by the liberal Chicago nonprofit group that issued it. And it found that Obama "the day after sitting for the interview” filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama's own handwritten notes added to one answer. ... ..<br>
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    Obama had greater role on liberal survey<br>
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    So, what does Obama really think about guns (from link above)?<br>
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    Both versions of the 1996 questionnaires provide answers his presidential campaign disavows to questions about whether Obama supports capital punishment and state legislation to ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.<br>
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    He responded simply No? and Yes,? respectively, to those questions on both questionnaires.<br>
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    But a fact sheet provided by his campaign flatly denies Obama ever held those views, asserting he consistently supported the death penalty for certain crimes but backed a moratorium until problems were fixed.? And it points out that as a state senator, he led an effort to reform Illinois death penalty laws.<br>
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    On guns, the fact sheet says he has consistently supported common-sense gun control, as well as the rights of law-abiding gun owners.<br>
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    So he was for banning handguns, a ridiculous position, before he was against it. When he was really for "common-sense gun control," though Obama's against D.C. citizens having 2nd Amendment rights. (By the way, the Chicago Tribune has scrubbed the original article on this subject that quoted Obama directly.) Link to the following quote:<br>
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    On the other hand,<br>
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    Although Obama supports gun control, while campaigning in gun-friendly Idaho earlier this month, he said he does not intend to take away people's guns.<br>
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    At his news conference, [Prof. Obama] voiced support for the District of Columbia's ban on handguns, which is scheduled to be heard by the Supreme Court next month.<br>
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    ABC News, however, has another quote on the issue: But asked today about the DC handgun ban currently being reviewed by the US Supreme Court, Obama declined to take a position for or against its Constitutionality but did express broad support for the rights of local jurisdictions to make such decisions for themselves. "The city of Chicago has gun laws, so does Washington, DC," Obama said. "The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gangbangers and random shootings on the street isn't born out by our Constitution."<br>
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    My position on the D.C. case has been made clear. Residents should be able to own handguns. Period.<br>
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    Gun owners with any brains want sensible gun laws enforced. However, that does not include punishing law abiding citizens, because you think gangbangers shouldn't have guns. How keeping guns away from the citizenry is considered "gun safety laws" is beyond me. If that makes me a bad progressive, so be it.<br>
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    As for Obama talking to gun owners, it comes off as pandering because it's clear that the senator doesn't get gun owners. You can't fake it on this one.
     
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    Brian, That "quote" in your first post appears to be a fabrication. I did a pretty thorough search and can find no such reference. In fact, I find it one time and it is attributed as made up. Do you have a source for this? Jake
     
  5. Capt. Morgan

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    They're all liars, for heaven's sake...

    They spout continuously about "I'll change this" and "I'll do that" and "I'll force big oil to do thus and so" as though they were going to do it all by themselves rather than as a minor part of a three-way operation.

    Only kings, queens and dictators are to be believed when they talk like that.

    Morgan
     
  6. trpshtr2001

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    Sounds like someone still has way too much time on their hands. BTW , I think it is spelled liar.
     
  7. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Jakearoo, I've been trying to run that quote down too. The GRAB part is suspect. I had a bunch of these ready to post here, but intended to hold that one back. I'll leave it up for now, but if I find it is bogus, I'll pull it. Thanks for the alert.
     
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    I'm truly shocked and appalled to learn that a liberal scumbag is also a liar. I hope that bitch Hillary isn't a liar too. LOL
     
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    Apparently the last three are accurate, which means that I would hate to be on Obama's side, trying to defend the antigun cuss.
     
  10. Brian in Oregon

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    Jakearoo, I deleted the first post. If it can be substantiated I'll repost it.
     
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