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OBAMA - Heathcare for illegals!!

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  1. Bob Schultz

    Bob Schultz Well-Known Member Supporting Vendor

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    Obama: Healthcare for Illegals

    Monday, July 21, 2008 9:06 PM

    By: Dick Morris & Eileen McGann




    Democrats' single most important domestic proposal — universal health insurance — may blow up in Barack Obama's face when voters are exposed to the deadly details.


    Obama has said, proudly and often, "I am going to give health insurance to 47 million Americans who are now without coverage." But are they "Americans?"


    That 47 million statistic includes illegal immigrants, who virtually all lack insurance. In fact, about one in four of those lacking insurance is here illegally. And they are, by far, the group most in need of health insurance.



    About 15 million of the remaining uninsured are eligible for Medicaid but haven't signed up, mainly because they haven't gotten sick. When they do, they enroll in Medicaid and we pick up the full tab for their health care relatively cheaply. (About 80 percent of each Medicaid dollar goes to nursing-home care for the elderly, only about 20 percent for the medical needs of the poor.)


    The rest of the uninsured pool? Virtually all the children are eligible for the State Children's Health Insurance Program. Some aren't enrolled because the parents haven't bothered, but most are eligible. That leaves about 20 million uninsured adults who are US citizens or legal immigrants. There are far better ways to handle their needs than to turn our entire health-care system upside down.


    Care for illegals is the biggest unmet medical need in our nation, and Obama's program targets it squarely. But do we really want to give them federally paid coverage equal to what US senators get, as Obama proposes?


    Covering illegals adds dramatically to the cost of any program - and would encourage more folks to enter America illicitly.


    Obama's plan will likely have a horrific effect on some local health-care systems.


    Illegals now get free emergency-room treatment for life-threatening conditions, as any other American who's entered an ER in an area with lots of illegals recently well knows. (Three-quarters of the illegal-immigrant population is concentrated in five states: California, New York, Florida, Texas and Illinois.)


    But now they'd be eligible for the entire range of medical services, all free of charge. That would trigger severe rationing: bureaucrats deciding who gets to see an oncologist, who can have an MRI - and even who can have bypass surgery and who'd die for lack of it.


    These decisions would be made not on the basis of legal status but on the brutal facts of triage: Treat the 37-year-old illegal with his whole life to live before you spend scarce resources on an overweight, diabetic, 80-year-old citizen with high blood pressure who smokes.


    John McCain hasn't raised this issue, perhaps for fear of offending the Latino vote. But polling suggests the case against rationing of health care would be as persuasive to Hispanic-American citizens as it is to the rest of us. Nobody wants to die waiting in line - especially not behind someone who snuck in ahead of us.


    McCain needs to hit the Obama plan for treating illegal immigrants to free, federally subsidized health insurance — and hit it hard.



    © 2008 Dick Morris & Eileen McGann
     
  2. mizzou

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    Bob: Dick Morris couln't be wrong could he? Is he a convicted felon or did he just get fired for playing around with hookers..This is the last guy I would be quoting..But hey, that's just me...Mizzou
     
  3. jimx200

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    Miz, guys like you who don't like the message, shoot the messenger. And do tell us which of your liberal icons are addressing the issue of health care for illegals? And the nerve of that guy playing around with hookers!! Tisk, tisk...at least he paid for the services...by the way, did Slick Willie pay too?
     
  4. cubancigar2000

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    jimx200 - slick willie did not have sex, he just got a BJ
     
  5. Finprof

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    It has been a while since I was a Canadian, but if memory serves correctly, the health care system was maanged by each province. You received a residency card that you show to the doctor in order to get treatment, much like you show a Blue Cross or HMO card in the US. The bottom line is Canada was, that if you have no card, you pay cash. Current Canadians, please correct me if I am wrong.
    The problem with the US is that a similar system based on legal residency can't be implemented in the US. The courts have ruled that social services cannot be withheld from illegal aliens. Illegal alien children have the right to attend public school, for example, right along with citizens. Regardless of what Obama says or Dick Morris says, any national healthcare system would have to include illegals - the courts would tell us so.

    A national healthcare system that includes illegal aliens would provide an even stronger incentive for illegals to move to the US. They could get free healthcare that would not be available in their home country. If you think there are a lot of illegals now, just wait.
     
  6. mizzou

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    Jimx200: Hey Jim, just tryin to help a brother out..BTW, this outstanding U.S. model citizen does not pay his income taxes either..I hate to see an really good guy like Bob Schultz quote this crooked mouthed scum ball and expect me to read it and believe it..Liberal icons or conservative icons don't need to spend any of my money for illegal anything..Mitt will fix it all..Mizzou
     
  7. R.Kipling

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    I couldn't agree more with the sentiment about Dick Morris. If his mouth is moving, he is lying. He spent 8 years guiding the Clinton's through their lies. They learned very well. He is a bigger Narcissist than Bill.

    However, I have researched the 'illegal' aspect of the uninsured claims. I can find a number of reliable resources that include about 10 million illegals and non-residents in the NObama rhetoric. That is enough for me to accept another in a long list of lies, deceptions and misspeaks. Bob is just pointing out the obvious, and someone needs to keep doing so.

    The malignant media is doing their best to indoctrinate the 'useful idiots' (their words, not mine).

    Kip
     
  8. highflyer

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    We are going to pay for illegals health care regardless. They are here, they get sick, they go to the hospital. Great system. They flood into the country by the 10's of millions, lower the wages of the working class, then cost us in health care and education and increased crime and prison. It is a lose, lose, lose, lose. The only person that gets a benefit from it is the illegal employer that hires them and pockets more of the profit and the liberal Democrats that get 2/3rds of their vote once they are legalized. I just read today that half of minority students in our cities fail to graduate from high school. It just gets better and better.
     
  9. bill1949

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    The truth really hurts the liberals...Bill
     
  10. j2jake

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    For those of you who are supporters of the national health care hoax, you should visit your local VA Hospital. You libs can keep all your free goverment programs. They seem to always cost me money and the results are terrible. Jake
     
  11. Shooting Coach

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    Dear Jake

    I am wondering what you meant by "visiting a VA Hospital"? If you are pointing to that as a bad thing, you are off base.

    I am not jumping anyone's case. I am one of those olde phartes who has the VA for their primary health care.

    I MUST get two complete physicals annually. They cost me $15, total. If I need anything else, it is not charged to me. Prescriptions, if needed, are $5 a pop. I am healthy,(and lucky) in that I currently take no meds. If something not of an emergency nature comes up, I get an appointment scheduled, and am billed, yes, $15. An Emergency room visit is $50. If the visit winds up costing $100,000, I pay fifty bucks.

    I see doctors who rotate around all the local hospitals. Great docs, great, and new equipment. Friendly folks, all.

    With this said, I DO have health care insurance. The VA bills my provider (Blue Cross) and whatever the Insurance Co does not pay is written off.

    I do not HAVE to have the Blue Cross insurance. it is $180 monthly. I CHOOSE to, so the Govt' does not pay ALL my expenses. If I drop my Insurance, nothing changes with the VA.

    A little something I did for Uncle Sam 40 years ago is paying off.

    My Dad had several forms of Cancer, a stroke, and Alzheimer's. VA paid for his care, stay in a nursing home, and later, hospice. His funeral arrangements were taken care of. It did not cost me or his estate a dime. They took GOOD care of him, and did not warehouse him. For this I will ALWAYS be thankful.

    He was a sniper in the Pacific Theatre in WWII. When I was a kid and asked him what he did in the Army, he told me he "shot monkeys out of trees". For years, I wondered why he would shoot a monkey out of a tree at 400 yards. When I grew up, I found out what he meant. Thanks, Dad.

    If everyone LEGALLY in this great nation could have my level of health coverage, I would be willing to pay an extra $200 yearly on my taxes.

    Those of you with kids and grandkids, suggesting that they do a hitch in the military is not a bad thing. It is safer to be in Iraq than Washington DC! (groan)
     
  12. Brian in Oregon

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    "Free" health care means the middle class and businesses will pay for it.
     
  13. Shooting Coach

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    If businesses have to pay for it, it will be passed to the consumer, or deducted from wages.
     
  14. Brian in Oregon

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    McCain is a liberal Republican, also known as a RINO (Republican In Name Only).<br>
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    Obama is not a liberal. Obama is a far left socialist, and an argument can be made for a taint of communist as well.<br>
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  15. JBrooks

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    Hey, DA nobody on the conservative side is in love with John McCain. However, he is at least an American first whereas Obama is a liberal, black nationalist, muslim/pseudo christian, America hating, marxist, crooked politician, affirmative action poser and gun grabber.

    So, assuming that your are not just one of his babbling, groupie, messiah worshippers who make a very personal argument for post partum abortions, why don't you tell us why Obama is worth your vote?
     
  16. Fritzboy

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    Brian in Oregon, I totally agree. And I thought the Left Coast was mostly liberal. Unfortunately I live in The People's Republic of New Jersey. New Jersey, more than a State, it's a state of mind.
     
  17. jimx200

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    Kip, thanks for posting that link as it makes for some very interesting reading with some facts on health care issues.
     
  18. highflyer

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    I hope our health care is never run by the government. It would inevitably lead to rationing, long waits, more government control over our personal lives, much higher taxes, less new research and development, and less quality care. It would end up being just like our government school system. The poor and middle class would have the inferior public systme and the rich would have the best private care. I know in the end most of us will wish we could go back.
     
  19. jakearoo

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    Flyer, I'm sure you are right. Most of us wish we could go back to no government funded education. I mean, why should we attempt to educate all the children. Dumb idea. We need to keep a certain percentage of folks uneducated. Otherwise, who is going to do all the crappy low paying jobs?
     
  20. bigdogtx

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    What most are NOT looking at is that they think the QUALITY of care will be the same. IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT!!! If you think it will take a look at the Medicare and Medicaid system. Some doctors are NOT ACCEPTING any new medicare patients at this time. Wonder why? How would you, currently earning $20 per hour, be forced to do the SAME work with the same quality and liability, and only be paid $16 for it. You still have the same bills at home, but are now making 20% less.

    Here is another thing to ponder....different sources say that the Medicare and Medicaid system will be broke WITHIN 7 TO 8 YEARS!!!! If you were a politician, and I don't care which party, why not put the Medicare recipients (who by percentage are the most likely voters in the elections) within a pool that "currently" is not broke (national healthcare), and keep these voters happy for a few more years and keep YOUR place in congress with YOUR healthcare and pension? It is just another shell game to hide what they have been doing for decades which is now coming to light.
     
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