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Obama care

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by sliverbulletexpress, Jul 20, 2009.

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  1. sliverbulletexpress

    sliverbulletexpress TS Member

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    One thing I haven't heard talked too much about is the fact that the Obamammmy health care system will eliminate Medicare and Medicaid. I know a lot of people don't like these but many disabled and elderly people have nothing else. They will be forced to take this new system unlike the congressman and senators.

    If my studies of Socialism and the left wingers in general are correct a lot of the savings they claim is going to be at the expensive of the elderly and disabled. Health care will be hard to come by if you have a few years on you or are disabled, not that the present system is perfect, I have had my fights and disgust with Medicare but I fear what's coming will be much much worse. The Federal govt will be paying for all the abortions and old people will be moved to the Hospice whether they are ready or not.
     
  2. Lyle

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    This has hit home with me recently. My 7 year old son is and will be in a wheelchair for his entire life. He is fed through a feeding tube and will never speak.
    He receives nursing care Monday through Friday so I am able to work and contribute taxes to the system that supports medicaid. I recently received a letter telling me that since I am not at poverty level I will be expected to pay a "premium" for these services at the rate of 4.5% of my GROSS income beginning on October 1st. I now understand the feeling of being boxed in knowing that getting ahead will always cost me an additional 4.5%

    Cheers...........

    Lyle
     
  3. DonovanL

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    What silverbulletexpress says is true. We are looking at "rationed" health care, especially for the elderly. Life expectancy or well being will have nothing to do with your treatment. If you're a certain age, and still mowing the lawn, you won't get that knee or hip or eye replacement no matter how much you're willing to pay even on your own. I have plenty of friends/co-workers in the UK and they envy our healthcare system, and the UK is probably the best of the bunch in government healthcare. I'm slightly encouraged, however, the Obama plan appears to be loosing ground, but don't take it for granted, write to your representatives and tell them not to screw up the best healthcare system in the world!

    Len
     
  4. bigdogtx

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    Lyle,,,,blessings to you and your family....

    I understand how you fear this crap they are trying to shove down our throats. My daughter at 17 presented with a severe headache which the ER doc didn't like the way it "presented" itself. Ordered a CT scan and found a tumor. We operated in 10 days. Good results. Under this "reformed" plans, we wouldn't have found or got it taken out for months. Would have lost my precious daughter.

    I will fight this idiocy tooth and nail to the end. Anyone think it is a good idea,,,,call your congressman and ask them if they are going to sign up for it,,,,why not,,,,it's such a great thing!!!!
     
  5. perazzitms

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    Write your congressman and demand an amendment that requires that the entire Congress to be put on this sham of a health care bill. Let them put their balls on the chopping block too.

    My mom died in the Canadian system Obama wants to emulate. She had to travel 90 minutes each way 3 days a week for dialysis because that's where the Crown told her she had to go. She contracted an infection in the hospital due to negligence that not only caused a kidney infection that lasted 6 months and required surgery to 'fix', but eliminated her chances of receiving a kidney transplant. She had a stroke in the hospital and they SENT HER HOME because there was no room to put her in. She had a second stroke 3 days later, went into a coma and died 5 days later.

    Don't let anybody tell you that nationalized healthcare won't result in denial of access and rationing.
     
  6. no5shooter

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    You know, there are a lot of folks who read or visit this forum who voted for these sonsabitches. Let's be sure to thank them when they identify themselves.
     
  7. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Some of the cowards are known and some will lie through their teeth their denial!!!!!
     
  8. Jerbear

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    This is from the above site. Your income tax return will require you to show you have health insurance or pay a tax.



    How health care 'reforms' will mess with your coverage

    By Betsy Mccaughey


    Wednesday, June 24th 2009


    Sen. Edward Kennedy's health proposal, the Affordable Health Choices Act, is now being marked up in committee, a first step toward a vote. Critics are mounting a battle against the bill's public insurance option.




    But for patients, there's a bigger danger: a mandate that will limit your choice of health plans and restrict when you can see a specialist. You may be compelled to pay 10% or more of your income for insurance you don't want.




    Let me address a few big questions you may have.



    Does the bill require you to have health insurance?




    Yes. There is a lot of Washington double-talk in the bill - for example, it states, "No individual shall be compelled to enroll in a 'qualified' health plan" (sec. 3101).




    But if you file a tax return and fail to attach proof of your qualifying health plan, the IRS, in coordination with the expanded federal office on electronic medical records and a new state bureaucracy called a Gateway, will find you, notify you of your default and fine you (sec. 59).





    How big a fine? That's left up to the secretary of health and human services, but it will be big enough to ". . . accomplish the goal of enhancing participation."




    Of course, people on Medicare, Medicaid and other government programs are exempt. But the outrage is that members of Congress are exempting themselves (sec. 3116).




    What is a "qualified" health plan?



    The bill doesn't detail what this term means, but the language suggests you will be limited to a managed-care-style plan. Patients will have their care coordinated in a "medical home" - this decade's term for your primary care provider - and will not be allowed to see a specialist or get a test whenever they want to. Their care will be "coordinated." Doctors will be paid with "incentives" or hit with penalties to encourage cost-effective care.




    One such method is capitation, which means doctors get paid a flat fee per month per patient. With capitation, the fewer tests and referrals you're allowed, the more your doctor makes (sec. 2707).





    How much will a "qualified" plan cost?


    There are no prices in the bill, but it does make clear that there will be sliding-scale subsidies for individuals buying plans and temporary subsidies for small businesses covering workers.



    The bill says a family of four with a household income of $110,250 will not have to lay out more than 10% of its modified adjusted gross income (sec. 3111). Ten percent is a lot, but you might have to pay even more. Senators are looking for ways to trim costs, including allowing only families in lower-income groups to get subsidies.





    Will this plan affect you if you get your health insurance from a large company?




    Yes. The bill leaves blank precisely what employers' obligations will be (sec. 163), but you will need to prove that you are enrolled in a "qualified" plan.



    Negotiations in the coming days will determine whether your employer must contribute to the cost of that plan and what the tax treatment will be.



    What about the "public plan" everyone is discussing?



    The bill mentions that there will be a public plan, but offers no details (sec. 3101 and 3116). The importance of the public plan has been exaggerated. Its opponents warn that the public option will drive out private insurance, but that will happen anyway. The bill gives the health and human services secretary power to limit profit margins, which makes it iffy how long insurance companies will be able to survive (sec. 2704).




    That's another reason President Obama's promise yesterday that he's "not going to mess" with your plan is unconvincing. No one likes insurance companies, but the indications are that faceless bureaucrats in Washington will be even stingier when it comes to doling out your medical care.



    McCaughey is chair of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths and a former lieutenant governor of New York State.



    She can be emailed at betsy@hospitalinfection.org.

    Click on the above link and watch the video from C-Span.


    Jerbear
     
  9. crusha

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    Write your Congressmen...do it today. Tell them you're an independent, you're worried about destructive new spending crippling our economic recovery, and your vote could go either way depending on who does the best job advocating FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY!


    Tell them NO NEW TAXES, either on energy, health care, or anything else.
     
  10. highflyer

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    This system will be a reflection of how a socialist governments views it's citizens. You work for the state, not for yourself. You exist for the good of the state. When you are no longer productive you are expendable. It is the new way of looking at the relationship between the government and it's citizens. 180 degrees from what this country was founded on. The only difference between liberals and communists is one of power. Their minds work the same.
     
  11. Milkbone

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    I never get to write my Congressman or Senators because they are all against every bit of socialist BS Obama spews out. I feel cheated. LOL
     
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