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Obama Birth Certificate update

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by grnberetcj, Nov 17, 2008.

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  1. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    Obama - Birth Certificate - Issue not dead yet - it's still an issue.


    At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter's Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk
    also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.


    If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.


    "I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate," says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. "They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect."


    Also remember that on December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is an illegal alien and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution.


    Just a little current events to keep the pot stirred....

    Curt (and I prefer 7-1/2's)
     
  2. Big Heap

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    Considering developments in this country since Mr. Obama started his candidacy, he could prove his wisdom and good judgement by pulling the plug and returning to "Community Organizing".
     
  3. W.P.T.

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    This will definately put them on the spot, if they are bound by the Constitution to nullify the election ... We can only hope and pray that it happens and Obama and company can move back to his homeland where he can run for the position of King or whatever he wants to do ... Only in America ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  4. halfmile

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    It would seem that Hawaii has come across and given legitimacy to his supposed birth there.

    However, his paternal grandmother has sworn under oath that he was born in Kenya.

    They are trying to downplay this by citing difficulty with interpreters.

    This is probably why he has disowned his Kenyan brother.

    Someone this shifty should be in jail.

    HM
     
  5. bigclown

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    Keep us posted...the media sure will not. Thanks, Ed
     
  6. R.Kipling

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    Could be a very interesting turn of events? Question? If NObama is decertified, would the election go to Biden, or be nullified? Still pure speculation, but?

    Kip
     
  7. JBrooks

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    The Electoral College meets on Dec. 13th. Based upon state laws and Party Rules, individual members have descretion of voting for anyone. If a President-elect were to be disqualified whether by law, illness or death or by releasing his earned electoral college voters, they could then vote for a willing and viable alternate. In this case, the two leading choices would be Hillary or Biden.

    In that the majority of Obama administration appointments have already gone to Clintonistas, Hillary would be the far more likely choice.
     
  8. mizzou

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    Yeah, boys, hang your hat on this issue..
     
  9. TOOLMAKER 251

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    I don't see how it can go to Obiden, he was not running for pres. I think it should go to McCain. After all the smoke clears they can deport Barry back to the Hutu's
     
  10. Uncle Sam

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    Joe Biden=Bad News for Gunowners
     
  11. primed

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    The following is a funny and true story shared by KC Williams who teaches government at Santa Fe High School .

    In one of KC's classes, they were discussing the qualifications to be president of the United States . It was pretty simple in that the candidate must be a natural born citizen of at least 35 years of age. However, one girl in the class immediately started in on how unfair was the requirement to be a natural born citizen. In short, her opinion was this requirement prevented many capable individuals from becoming president.

    KC and the class were just taking it in and letting her rant, but everyone's jaw hit the floor when she wrapped up her argument by stating, What makes a natural born citizen any more qualified to lead this country than one born by C-section?
     
  12. bigdogtx

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    HM, where did you see that Hawaii has "found/concocted" a birth certificate? THX
     
  13. halfmile

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    big, yes, and under the rug she goes. More of the same from the people of "meaningful change".
     
  14. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    grnberetcj:

    With all respect to Raymond Kraft, the four sitting activist justices (a.k.a. liberals) HAVE no credibility as guardians of the constitution. Judicial activists view the constitution as a "living" document. Unlike strict constructionists (a.k.a. conservative justices), activists are not constrained by the constitution’s language or other documents written by framers (notably the Federalist Papers) explaining the framers’ original intent.

    Activists simply make sh!t up based on any criteria of their choosing. As a result, activist courts ‘discover’ rights where none previously existed. This explains how pornography became protected speech under the first amendment, why expectant mothers may kill their babies and why foreign terrorists (alien enemy combatants) now enjoy full constitutional protections.(1)

    On the flip side, unfettered by private property rights, activist justices can (and did) rule private real estate may be taken by other private entities for private purposes so long as the taker has a better economic use for the taken property. So… if a developer decides to build a strip mall where your home, business, or family farm currently sits, they might just by God, get to take it against your wishes. Aint that a b!tch?

    Arguably, the only clearly accurate comment in your quotation of Kraft is, "... The Court is very jealous of its power." This has been true since Marbury v. Madison, the first example of judicial review by a Supreme Court. Perhaps not so ironically, judicial review and the power of the courts to test legislation and other actions by what the Constitution grants or withholds isn’t expressly conveyed ANYWHERE.

    sissy

    (1) If society decides abortion, pornography, and non-citizen terrorists should be given legal status and/or constitutional protection(s), it is our representatives and senators, not the supremes, that are responsible for passing the necessary legislation. When political liberals are unable to get legislation like this enacted, they call on activist courts to legislate from the bench.
     
  15. recurvyarcher

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    If Obama is DQ'd, we will see a lot of rioting and fighting on our streets. That would be the perfect timing for the U.S. to be hit with an Al Q'aida attack.
     
  16. halfmile

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    If he isn't (the most likely result) we will suffer.

    If he is we will suffer.

    catch 22.

    HM
     
  17. birdogs

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    I received the following e-mail this morning from a friend in California.


    Sent: 11/15/2008 7:40:56 AM
    Subject: Pres. candidate Alan Keyes & AIP leaders sue to obtain Obama citizenship proof


    Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, AIP (American Indep. Party) leaders sue in CA court to obtain Obama citizenship proof



    Article at: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6293



    Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, vice-presidential candidate Wiley S. Drake, and the Chairman of the American Independent Party, Markham Robinson, have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento seeking to bar Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger the names of Electors, and from transmitting to each presidential Elector a Certificate of Election, until documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States, and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.



    In addition, they have asked that the court issue a peremptory writ barring Senator Obama’s California Electors from signing the Certificate of Vote until such documentary proof is produced and verified.



    In response to questions about why the suit was being filed, Ambassador Keyes commented, “I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation.”



    Former Reagan administration official Ambassador Alan Keyes and Wiley S. Drake were the 2008 presidential and vice-presidential nominees of the American Independent Party, which is the California affiliate of the new national America’s Independent Party...



    Pls circulate across the USA.
     
  18. jakearoo

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    Curvy, Not to worry. For exactly the reason you state, even the Supreme Court that gave the election to Bush (when he had lost the popular vote in the entire U.S.) in 2000 is not going to try to disqualify Obama. They don't want that kind of powder keg blowing up.

    As well, the Hawaii Dept. of Health Director has certified the birth certificate. http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news

    And,the lawsuit has been thrown out. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79086

    So don't worry. We all have bigger fish to fry at this time in our Country's history.

    Regards, Jake
     
  19. recurvyarcher

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    Jake, the lawsuit to which you referred is an earlier one. Obama has been ordered to produce the birth certificate to the supreme court justices, according to the original poster's article, which is dated later than your article.
     
  20. GunDr

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    Ummm-Ummm-Bama has been requested to respond by Dec 1st, not produce his birth cert.

    With regards to Hawaii, an Umm-Umm-Bama government supporter, has said she has a record of his birth. They have not clearly stated if it is a "certified birth certificate" or a "certificate of birth". The two are different. She also has not stated what hospital he was born in. (according to relatives of his, three different places have been mentioned.)

    Anyone can obtain a certificate of birth in Hawaii, you do not need to be born there.
     
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