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Obama a Socialist

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Brian in Oregon, Oct 8, 2008.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Obama is a Marxist.
     
  2. KenC

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    Obama's momma was a 'Fellow Traveler'; this is undisputed.

    fellow traveler
    –noun
    1. a person who supports or sympathizes with a political party, esp. the Communist party, but is not an enrolled member.
    2. anyone who, although not a member, supports or sympathizes with some organization, movement, or the like.
     
  3. ricks1

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    I see some of the libbys say he is not going to take any guns what does this say "just because you have an individual RIGHT,does not mean that the state or local goverment CAN'T constrain the exercise of that right" You dumbocraps better print that and re read before you vote. rick
     
  4. Rico46

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    Obama a socialist? After this most recent government bailout and the buying up of the banks and AIG how would you classify 90% of our politicians in Washington D.C.?

    Rick Brohmer
     
  5. Jerry944t

    Jerry944t Well-Known Member

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    It's amazing. People throw around labels while being clueless as to what they actually mean.
     
  6. jimx200

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    Rick, good point as the majority of Congress/Senate have applied the principals of socialism to the bailout of the mortgage industry. I and most conservatives are completely against the bailout. What is consistent is the Dems undying belief in socialism and that the "government" knows what's best for us. Hell no...that's polar opposite to what made the country so great.
     
  7. Rico46

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    Jerry, when a country provides mandated services and owns businesses, while your taxes liabilities eat up approximately 50% of your income your a socialist country. How close to this label are we now days??

    Rick
     
  8. Jerry944t

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    Rick I wasn't referring to you but yes, we are real close to socialism as I understand it. Now let's let the government mandate health care, which has definite pluses and minuses, and we'll be even closer.
     
  9. jimx200

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    Jerry, just what are the "pluses" you mention above of government mandated health care?
     
  10. Big Az Al

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    + everyone has health care coverage

    - higher taxes

    - no service available, when service NEEDED

    AL
     
  11. Jerry944t

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    Let's, for the sake of argument, assume that it's run efficiently which I agree is a big assumption. It would control overcrowded emergency rooms, over worked doctors who are manning them, control the cost of drugs (much of the cost of drugs is passed back to you because they are such heavy advertisers and that needs to change), the cost of malpractice insurance and the covering of pre-existing conditions.

    It's not a panacea but it is worth considering.

    I'm sure I could think of other reasons but, as I said, I see plenty of concerns as well.

    Just as an example of why costs are so high I will cite an experience I had recently.

    I was in the hospital recently and was charged $28 for a Tylenol because, as was explained to me when it was questioned, the doctor had to write the order, the nurse had to contact the pharmacy, the pharmacy administrator had to approve it and an orderly had to go get it. Then a nurse had to give it to me. It was easier swallowing that pill than the bill presented for it. That kind of gouging shouldn't be able to happen.
     
  12. stokinpls

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    Would you like to stand in line for your Tylenol next time? You're going to be behind everyone with a hangnail or not wanting to wait for a doctor's appointment.
     
  13. Jerry944t

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    Of course I don't want to stand in line for a pill and that shouldn't be necessary in a well organized system. What makes you think I would stand in line? Are we not capable of instituting a smoothly administered system? We're Americans, we can do anything if we put some good minds to it.

    Besides you could always go to a private practitioner or hospital if you so choose. I am sure that a cottage industry would spring right up.

    Why do you think so many Americans are going to India and Asia for their major operations? They have excellent doctors there and treat the ill like they are guests at a hotel.
     
  14. JBrooks

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    "Let's, for the sake of argument, assume that it's run efficiently"

    ROFLMAO!

    The last government program that was run efficiently was the draft.

    I say let the government pay for the education of all doctors and dentists and in return they work for the government healthcare system for 20 years at the same rate as the local school teachers.
     
  15. Jerry944t

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    Don't be so cynical Brooks. It could happen :)

    By the way the government will pay for tuition for doctors and dentists in return for a commitment which I think is 8 years. Not sure about the time but they do get tuition and then get paid when they are in the service. I think they get Captain's pay immediately upon graduation.

    Although I think you're on the right tract you have to pay doctors and dentists more than teachers because they are dealing with potential life and death situation daily. Most don't take that responsibility lightly.
     
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    Jerry944t said: "Although I think you're on the right tract you have to pay doctors and dentists more than teachers because they are dealing with potential life and death situation daily. Most don't take that responsibility lightly."

    It's pretty obvious, sir, that you haven't been in a public (Read: GOVERNMENT) school for some time. When you have to have security guards and metal detectors at these schools, you already have a "life and death situation".

    The Bayrat
     
  17. Jerry944t

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    I live in an urban area Bayrat, I'm well aware of the hazards of teaching in the inner city. I made a broad generalization, did not address a specific situation.

    The vast majority of teachers do not deal with life and death, all health care professionals do, with all respect due to the teachers in the inner cities.
     
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    Just recently retired from ER nursing. Next time you have an opportunity to speak with a ER nurse or doctor ask about the documentation load that must be followed. Let government take it over completely and it will only get worse. JMHO
     
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    None of you who are for socialized medicine should be complaining about the 10 trillion dollar deficit or what some say is really a 50 trillion dollar deficit with the other entitlement programs scheduled to come on line. Socialism has failed in this country. What is the answer, more socialism. The more the government gets involved the more things deteriorate. Why do any of you think it is others responsibility to pay for your needs. How did we reach this point of no return. Our nation is collapsing around us and still we have our hand out wanting more.
     
  20. Jerry944t

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    So Highfyer, how exactly would you handle this situation? Lot's of complaining, but how about some concrete solutions? You can be President for the day. What's your platform?
     
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