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Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by 686beretta, Oct 24, 2007.

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  1. 686beretta

    686beretta TS Member

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    I am a school teacher at a small (about 225 students 4th and 5th grade students) school. This week is a drug awareness week called Red Ribbon week, we have different activities to help promote staying away from drugs, to the children. Today was hat day in which students and teachers could wear hats. At the beginning of each day we have morning announcements and also we say the pledge of allegiance and have a moment of silence for our troops. This morning one of the female teachers did not remove her hat while everyone else including other teachers and students removed their hats. I asked her about it at lunch, she said it was too much trouble to take off the hat and fix her hair back, she was wearing it as a ponytail. I told her this could be found offensive and not a good example for the students. What do you all think? Did I overreact? I don't know how much trouble, it is for a woman to do this with her hair. Opinions please.
     
  2. LOWGUN

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    Your too polite I would have made an example of her. I did it at a local ball game this summer. As a Vet it truely irkes me to no end. Mike
     
  3. BDodd

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    I think you handled it just right. No point in making a scene in front of the kids but you brought it to her attention later and, I assume, privately. Then it appears you left her to decide whether she should have taken her hat off or whether you over reacted. Perfect handling in my book....Bob Dodd
     
  4. Jerbear

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    That's ok Beretta... Obama (a presidential canidate) didn't put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem. Go figure...


    Jerbear
     
  5. Bruce Specht

    Bruce Specht Well-Known Member

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    I think out of respect for our country she should have removed her hat. Since shes teaching youngster that really don't know that men are required to remove their hats and woman may not be, she should have removed her hat. Her reason for not removing her hat is lame and she is a poor example for her students.
    Can I guess that she is of the younger generation? Many of the teachers at the high school I teach at are younger and patriotism seems to be less important to many of them as is teaching by example. These kids just don't get it.
     
  6. TC

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    P3AT/Pat, is correct.
     
  7. phirel

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    I will get even more picky about men, and only men, removing their hats and placing the cap over the heart when the National Anthem is played.

    The right upper arm should be parallel with the body. The forearm should be at a right angle to the upper arm and parallel with your belt. The bill of the cap should be held only at tip of the bill end and the hat should be at a right angle to the forearm and parallel with the upper arm. This will place the cap over the heart in an appropriate manner. I am fussy about details.

    Pat Ireland
     
  8. trapshootin hippie

    trapshootin hippie Well-Known Member

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    686 Beretta, your question was "did I over readt?" In my opinion, youi did. Just my opinion though.


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  9. lumper

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    Pat and others are correct ... she did not have to remove her hat but to be honest the way you describe it sounds like she was wearing a ball cap with the pony tail out behind in that little cleavage part in the back ... is that correct?

    If it was a casual or ball type cap she really should of taken it off. Its just my opinion but casual is not dressed up and a lady with a dressy hat is far different than a woman with a casual hat. Dressy would have been fine but casual should have been removed. If she had been in church the congregation most likely would not have put up with her sitting there wearing a ball cap but a fancy easter type hat would be a different story.
     
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    I think your heart was in the right place, but I don't think her behavior was inappropriate.

    Pat Ireland,

    What if you have a hat that is a littl "floppy" such that it would fall down if you held it only by the bill. I have such a hat, and hold it over my heart by the crown during the national anthem.
     
  11. shot410ga

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    I think you over reacted. Ladies are not required to remove their hats.
     
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    For all interested in "Flag Rules and Regulations" mash on the website above.

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    I think you done right!
     
  14. BDodd

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    I'll back down from my early remarks only to say I hadn't really thought about the gender difference. It seems from the history web page that she wasn't required to remove the cap. However, I'll still say, under the circumstances, I'd like to have seen the lady lose the cap for the moment and I would still tell her so were I in your shoes.....Bob Dodd
     
  15. oz

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    a teacher (or student) should NOT be wearing a hat in school unless a doctor deems it necessary. the teacher should have to speak to the principal and have a disciplinary letter put in her record. do it again and collect unemployment. the union can't help her either. oz
     
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    For those of you who would like a cultural history lesson...

    The reason that a lady is not required to remove her hat is that, historically, women were required to COVER their heads in order to be considered respectful. That could be with a hat, a kerchief, a scarf, or a pinned-down hankie. The only women that did not do so were those that were unmarried adolescents and younger children.

    Men, on the other hand, were required to remove their hats in order to show respect/deference.

    There are many countries and/or cultures where women are still required to keep the crowns (at least) of their heads covered when in the presence of men.
     
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    If it was a ball cap, it should have come off. Period. Probably before school started. I can't imagine that students would actually respect this teacher if she wore a cap while teaching. I also can't imagine that the Principle would condone her wearing it either. If it were a more elaborate hat, then possibly she could have left it on, as long as she displayed proper etiquette during the Pledge. To leave it on because it would mess up her pony tail is ridiculous.

    I'm curious, what was her reaction when you talked to her?
     
  18. jakearoo

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    Ladies don't remove their hats. My dear sweet mama, God rest her, taught me that. And NO ONE loved this country or the flag more. You over reacted and so have half the posters on this thread.
     
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    Pat,

    Thanks for the lesson. So many times we forget the proper procedure and then it is not passed down. Things like proper ettiquette at the dinner table.

    Please advise on the proper holding of a cowboy hat.

    Thanks,

    Jack
     
  20. phirel

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    Jack- Lets us start another thread on etiquette for gentlemen. Should a father, sitting in a restaurant with his hat on and talking on a cell phone, require his young son to wear pants in a manner that covers all of his underwear?

    Pat Ireland
     
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